[IPP] Canonical IPP way to set job-sheets to a different paper/tray/medium?

[IPP] Canonical IPP way to set job-sheets to a different paper/tray/medium?

Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) smith.kennedy at hp.com
Tue Dec 11 20:12:25 UTC 2018


> On Dec 11, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
> 
> Ira,
> 
> I think Smith's question has more to do with whether a Client can create new banners (job sheets) via the System service, and then associate them with a Printer.

That's it - thanks Mike! Sorry to all for my struggles with being articulate. 

> 
> Conceptually we could add a "resource-type" value for job-sheets ('static-job-sheet' or 'template-job-sheet'?) - the main issue I'd have is how the Printer would know where to place job information on the sheet...

That did occur to me - creating that sounds like it opens up a bunch of work. (The old CUPS PostScript test page comes to mind...) But even with something static, a resource type would be needed.

> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com <mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Smith,
>> 
>> No need for System Service updates.
>> 
>> As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 Production Printing) already 
>> covers this feature.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>> 
>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
>> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
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>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com <mailto:smith.kennedy at hp.com>> wrote:
>> Ah, good point!
>> 
>> Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently.
>>  
>> Smith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com <mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Smith,
>>> 
>>> Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the Printer
>>> (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of printing.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> - Ira
>>> 
>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>>> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>>> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
>>> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>>> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/hF7DCOYkrkiJ9zLKtEulGy?domain=sites.google.com>
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/DHOICPNlvlcOr81xi0Sc7u?domain=sites.google.com>
>>> mailto: blueroofmusic at gmail.com <mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
>>> PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com <mailto:smith.kennedy at hp.com>> wrote:
>>> If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com <mailto:msweet at apple.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the job.
>>>> 
>>>> There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.  At present this attribute is not supported by CUPS.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas at gmail.com <mailto:pipitas at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?
>>>>> 
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