Hi Smith and Mike,
We thought about this use case (templates for content items of
job sheets) years ago in Open Printing WG and concluded that
exact layout (left top of page) was overkill and a simple ordered
list of content item keywords to be centered, in order, leaving
layout entirely to the Printer (font, point size, etc.) was a useful
approach.
It's certainly an interesting topic, due to its wide implementation
in enterprise, academic, and other managed networks.
All - Is there interest in pursuing this in IPP WG?
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
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On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:12 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards
Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
>> Ira,
>> I think Smith's question has more to do with whether a Client can create
> new banners (job sheets) via the System service, and then associate them
> with a Printer.
>>> That's it - thanks Mike! Sorry to all for my struggles with being
> articulate.
>>> Conceptually we could add a "resource-type" value for job-sheets
> ('static-job-sheet' or 'template-job-sheet'?) - the main issue I'd have is
> how the Printer would know where to place job information on the sheet...
>>> That did occur to me - creating that sounds like it opens up a bunch of
> work. (The old CUPS PostScript test page comes to mind...) But even with
> something static, a resource type would be needed.
>>>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Smith,
>> No need for System Service updates.
>> As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3
> Production Printing) already
> covers this feature.
>> Cheers,
> - Ira
>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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>>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards
> Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com> wrote:
>>> Ah, good point!
>>>> Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page
>> management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed
>> out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently.
>>>> Smith
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Smith,
>>>> Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the
>> Printer
>> (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of
>> printing.
>>>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
>> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards
>> Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com> wrote:
>>>>> If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for
>>> a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature"
>>> by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using
>>> "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages.
>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
>>>>>> There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners -
>>> it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of
>>> the job.
>>>>>> There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production
>>> Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this
>>> attribute is not supported by CUPS.
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on
>>> different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)?
>>>>>> I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big
>>> institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands
>>> of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the
>>> PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to
>>> /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested
>>> it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice.
>>>>>> Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to
>>> be printed on a specific medium?
>>>>>> Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more
>>> which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this
>>> with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?
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