[IPP] Canonical IPP way to set job-sheets to a different paper/tray/medium?

[IPP] Canonical IPP way to set job-sheets to a different paper/tray/medium?

Michael Sweet msweet at apple.com
Tue Dec 11 20:06:11 UTC 2018


Ira,

I think Smith's question has more to do with whether a Client can create new banners (job sheets) via the System service, and then associate them with a Printer.

Conceptually we could add a "resource-type" value for job-sheets ('static-job-sheet' or 'template-job-sheet'?) - the main issue I'd have is how the Printer would know where to place job information on the sheet...


> On Dec 11, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Smith,
> 
> No need for System Service updates.
> 
> As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 Production Printing) already 
> covers this feature.
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
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> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com <mailto:smith.kennedy at hp.com>> wrote:
> Ah, good point!
> 
> Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently.
>  
> Smith
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com <mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Smith,
>> 
>> Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the Printer
>> (which typically is included in banner pages) such as actual time of printing.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>> 
>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
>> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic <http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc <http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc>
>> mailto: blueroofmusic at gmail.com <mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
>> PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com <mailto:smith.kennedy at hp.com>> wrote:
>> If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages.
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com <mailto:msweet at apple.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the job.
>>> 
>>> There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control.  At present this attribute is not supported by CUPS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 5:17 PM, pipitas <pipitas at gmail.com <mailto:pipitas at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What is the canonical IPP-ish way to request printing of a job-sheet on different media (or media drawn from a different paper tray)?
>>>> 
>>>> I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium?
>>>> 
>>>> Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?
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