I'm just monitoring the group, but isn't there a significant difference=
between blank pages within a document and documents in a duplex job with an=
odd number of pages causing the COMPLETELY blank back side of the last page=
to be counted? Almost all page printers include an option for not printing=
such completely blank pages, and I think the point about user concern is=
well taken.
Therefore, perhaps the sentence in the definition of impression:
> If a two-sided document has an odd number of pages, the last sheet still=
counts as two impressions, if that sheet makes two passes through the=
marker or the marker marks on both sides of a sheet in a single pass.
should be:
If a two-sided document has an odd number of pages and there are no marks to=
be made on second side of the last sheet, the last sheet should count as=
one impression, instead of two, even if that sheet makes two passes through=
the marker. =20
David R. Spencer
Spencer & Associates Publishing, Ltd.
Three Giffard Way, Melville, NY 11747-2310
david@spencer.com
1-516-367-6655 Fax:1-516-367-2878
http://www.spencer.com
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>This was discussed in great detail at the LA meeting. If one agrees
>that the MIB is to provide information on what the printer does, which
>may not necessarily agree with what the rate structures may or may not
>be at a particular place at a particular time, then I think the
>contention that sending a sheet side through transfer and fixing steps
>constitutes making an impression. The question of how much colorant is
>put on that page is a separate one. If it is a single period, a fully
>colored page or a blank page, colorant use is a different characteristic
>from impression, and one which could be instrumented.=20
>
>In most page printers, the information that a page has no marking is not
>readily available. The page goes though the same processes, takes pretty
>much the same time and the same wear and tear on the mechanism. I
>suggest that, unless the printer has a way of separately ejecting such
>sheet sides, from a printer point of view, treating a blank side
>differently is an artificial distinction.
>
>The point may be moot. I am told that commercial duplication houses
>charge by the sheet, with perhaps a different sheet rate for duplex (but
>no distinction for blank sides). A large in-house reports person told
>me that there are no blank pages; there is a header or footer, a page
>number, or a "This page intentionally left blank" message.
>
>I suggest that a measure of importance from those actually concerned
>with the accounting be obtained before the MIB imposes the derivation of
>another parameter on the printer.
>
>W. A. Wagner (Bill Wagner)
>OSICOM/DPI
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jay Martin [SMTP:jkm@underscore.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 11:50 PM
>> To: Tom Hastings
>> Cc: jmp@pwg.org; ipp@pwg.org
>> Subject: IPP> Re: JMP> URGENT: Should impressions include blank
>> last page back sides or not?
>>=20
>> Sorry, but I must agree with Angelo Caruso with the position
>> that most folks are going to be pretty upset if they are
>> charged for blanks sides of sheets. Can't say that I like
>> that idea at all.
>>=20
>> ...jay
>>=20
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