Hi Mike,
Thanks for looking into this. I agree that we don't need to add either
'protective' or 'aqueous' to Finishings 2.0 - we'll just map them to our
existing 'archival' coating types.
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
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On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
> Ira,
>> Thanks, "Protective" clearly maps to the existing 'archival' coating
> types. "Aqueous" would also seem to map to 'archival' unless we feel that
> it is important to differentiate between "green" and "non-green" coatings
> in the job ticket?
>>> > On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > See good detailed response from Jim Mekis below, as well as Rainer's
> reply
> > already sent to SM3 and IPP mailing lists.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > - Ira
> >
> > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic> > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc> > mailto: blueroofmusic at gmail.com> > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094
> > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: James Mekis <jmekis at mekis.net>
> > Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:08 AM
> > Subject: Re: Rainer - need definitions of two JDF coating types ASAP
> > To: blueroofmusic at gmail.com, Rainer Prosi <Rainer.Prosi at heidelberg.com>
> >
> >
> > Ira & Rainer -
> >
> > I am not a coatings expert, but here is a short coatings description
> based
> > on my experience. (I am presuming that "Finishings 2.0" is focused on
> > post-press operations):
> >
> > The coatings listed in JDF's ColorIntent Resource Table can be applied
> > either inline or offline. Offline coatings (finishing) are typically
> > intended to be protective. They can increase water-resistance,
> > scuff-resistance, and even food resistance in the case of restaurant
> menus.
> > They have been used for decades to protect offset printed sheets, and
> usage
> > has increased with the desire to protect digitally printed sheets,
> > especially photo images. Like varnish, they come in gloss & dull
> variants.
> >
> > The most commonly coating types requested by customers today are UV
> coatings
> > (Ultra Violet cured polymers) which provide higher durability, and
> aqueous
> > coatings that are viewed as "greener" and typically more easily recycled
> at
> > end-of-life. Both types of overall coating protect the printed image as
> well
> > as the substrate. They also may be applied over foil embossed surfaces
> in
> > some instances.
> >
> > Customers may also specify the performance characteristic they desire in
> the
> > coating rather than specifying a coating type. Common examples are
> > water-resistance, and rub-resistance. Both characteristics may be
> required
> > at the same time. An example is in the wine industry, where the white
> wine
> > label has to survive transport rubbing, followed by water and rubbing ice
> > cubes in a bucket upon serving.
> >
> > Does this help?
> >
> > - Jim
> >
> >
> > == ==
> > Rainer Prosi wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jim
> > > I believe that the definitions were drafted during the printtalk
> discussions.
> > > Could you please help Ira out.
> > > Thanks
> > > Rainer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original message --------
> > > From: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> > > Date: 20/10/2014 23:48 (GMT+01:00)
> > > To: ipp at pwg.org,"Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list"
> > > <sm3 at pwg.org>,"Prosi, Rainer PT-RD3" <Rainer.Prosi at heidelberg.com> >,Rick
> > > Yardumian <RYardumian at ciis.canon.com>,Ira McDonald <
>blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Rainer - need definitions of two JDF coating types ASAP
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > In our review of PWG Last Call comments today on Finishings 2.0,
> > > I got the following action item that I'm passing on to you Rainer:
> > >
> > > "Action: Ira to ask Rick and Rainer about JDF coating types: "Aqueous"
> > > and "Protective"
> > >
> > > They are not defined in JDF (as far as Mike Sweet could find) and we
> > > can't add a keyword to a PWG spec without a clear definition.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > - Ira
> > >
> > > PS - A reply by the next JDFMAP call next Monday 27 October would
> > > be much appreciated - thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> > > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> > > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> > > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> > > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> > > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> > > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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