[IPP] What value do IPP Printers provide for "printer-name"?

Wed Jun 12 10:38:09 UTC 2024

Hi Smith,

For the Fiery Digital Front End servers, here are the IPP attribute values being populated:

  *   printer-name --> ‘hostname’
  *   printer-make-and-model --> Specific printer manufacturer and model name, and is fixed.
  *   printer-dns-sd-name --> Bonjour Service Name concatenated with the last 3 octets of the Mac address (similar to Xerox). Default is the printer manufacturer and model name concatenated with the 3 octets of Mac address. This helps to keep it unique as it is used during the printer discovery. This value changes when the Bonjour service name is changed by the user.

Thanks,
-Arun-
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Of course - I just thought of what happens when there is a name conflict with another device on the network, and tested it.

The conflict caused the registered name via MDNS to have "(2)" appended to it, but neither printer-name nor printer-dns-sd-name were updated to match.

So now I'm wondering if that is a bug. Is that a bug?  I think that is as I read PWG 5100.13 - printer-dns-sd-name at a minumum should have changed to match the MDNS (updated) registered name.

Chris

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Yes, both are updated together.

And they are independent of the hostname

Chris

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Thanks Chris! HP printers do something similar for the default DNS-SD Instance Name. If Xerox printers provide the same value for "printer-name" as "printer-dns-sd-name", if one changes then so does the other?

Smith

On Jun 11, 2024, at 3:21 PM, Rizzo, Christopher <Christopher.Rizzo at xerox.com<mailto:Christopher.Rizzo at xerox.com>> wrote:

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The Xerox devices that I work on use the Bonjour advertisement name for IPP printer-name. I cannot speak for all Xerox products.

The factory default for this is "Xerox <model> (<last 3 bytes of eth mac addr>)".

Reason for the mac addr append is for customers that purchase more than one device they can be identified while avoiding the need for initial conflicts in name resolution.

Chris

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On 6/11/24, 12:46 PM, "ipp on behalf of Michael Sweet via ipp" <ipp-bounces at pwg.org <mailto:ipp-bounces at pwg.org<mailto:ipp-bounces at pwg.org%20%3cmailto:ipp-bounces at pwg.org>> on behalf of ipp at pwg.org<mailto:ipp at pwg.org> <mailto:ipp at pwg.org>> wrote:

Smith,

> On Jun 11, 2024, at 3:22 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) <smith.kennedy at hp.com <mailto:smith.kennedy at hp.com<mailto:smith.kennedy at hp.com%20%3cmailto:smith.kennedy at hp.com>>> wrote:
> ...
> So the attributes involved in a discussion were:
>
> printer-name (RFC 2911 / 8011 - required)
> printer-make-and-model (RFC 2911 / 8011 - recommended)
> printer-dns-sd-name (PWG 5100.13 - required)
>
> The wording of "printer-name" makes it sound like it should be a unique name, not a model name...

A printer by any other name would smell as sweet?

From RFC 8011, "printer-name" is *not* a unique name, just a more friendly one:

5.4.4. printer-name (name(127))

This REQUIRED Printer attribute contains the name of the Printer. It
is a name that is more End User friendly than a URI. An
Administrator determines a Printer's name and sets this attribute to
that name. This name can be the last part of the Printer's URI, or
it can be unrelated. In non-US-English locales, a name can contain
characters that are not allowed in a URI.

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