Hi Bill,
Thanks for that reasoned response. I agree with you.
Sorry for probably having abused "RTC". I didn't mean necessarily
the discrete chip w/ battery. Useful network Printers (i.e., accessible
via some network path, wired or wireless), can maintain a running tick
counter aligned with some network notion of localized time easily.
Mike also just articulated the constraints better than I did. Read on.
I'd like to see consumer, modest printers able to use and discover
all installed Resources with System Service.
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 12:20 PM, <wamwagner at comcast.net> wrote:
> I am surprised to see the RTC (a term I have disliked since it means
> something else at the detailed hardware level) or NTP question come up
> again. This was an issue with the printer MIB 15 years ago, but since even
> the most minor device seems to have time keeping capabilities today, I did
> think it was an non-issue. Smith’s message suggests this may be wrong. But
> I suggest that any imaging system complex enough to concern itself with
> system functions will have timekeeping capability. Unless someone can come
> up with a real and valid example of a networked imaging device for which
> system service capability is appropriate that does not have timekeeping
> capability, I suggest that these time related attributes remain required.
>> Thanks,
>> Bill Wagner
>>>>>>>> *From: *Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 2, 2016 11:42 AM
> *To: *ipp at pwg.org; Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *[IPP] Required real-time clock prevents System Service use by
> someprinters
>>>> Hi,
>> The System Service requirement for a running tick counter and
>> for an actual RTC w/ meaningful time would prevent the use of any
>> Resource operations by some printers. Also, the firmware update
>> and graceful restart abilities, which move away from traditional
>> vendor- and model-specific approaches and improve Managed
>> Print Service compatibility.
>> Questions:
>> (1) Should we reduce the various "date-time-at-xxx" attributes to
> RECOMMENDED?
>> -- Comment - they are REQUIRED in IPP Everywhere
>>>> (2) Should we allow the various "time-at-xxx" attributes to be
>> trivial implementations (i.e., without meaningful tick counter)?
>> -- Comment - they are REQUIRED in RFC2911/RFC2911bis,
>> with some ambiguity about implementation
>>>> Note that I've personally been a proponent of required RTC
>> with meaningful date/time for years, so I'm conflicted about
>> bringing this subject up.
>> WDYT?
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc> mailto: blueroofmusic at gmail.com> Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094
> May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434
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