From: Stuart Rowley (Stuart.Rowley@ktd-kyocera.com)
Date: Mon Nov 20 2006 - 11:54:55 EST
Hi Ira,
Yes, creating an MFP MIB would address this issue, but we have been
looking for a simple solution which adds "some" value with very little
additional effort - just using the existing structures.
I think what it comes down to is what you and Ron frequently disagree
on: are we modeling services or devices? Of course we cannot be modeling
devices because it is a single device, but on the other hand, with the
alert table we are really primarily interested in the hardware
components of the device.
You suggested that this is not extensible. On a purely service level of
course you are right. However, from a practical standpoint, it is very
difficult to come up with scenarios where hardware failures affect only
individual services, e.g. document transform service is ok but instant
message service is down. Such software failures would be beneficial to
be able to identify, but are really beyond the scope of this effort.
I think the bottom line is that it would be beneficial for us to be able
to distinguish between a jammed scan input and a jammed print input or a
cover open that prevents scanning but printing is not affected. This
proposed indexing method allows us to do that. I am willing to accept
that this method will never be able to tell me that the instant message
service is down but document transform is ok. I accept that I will have
to implement a more advanced MIB or schema to achieve this additional
level of sophistication.
Best regards,
Stuart
Stuart Rowley
Network Product Mgr.
Kyocera Technology Development
1855 Gateway Blvd. #400
Concord, CA 94520
stuart.rowley@ktd-kyocera.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 9:52 AM
To: Stuart Rowley; Bergman, Ron; pmp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: PMP> New MFP Alert Groups Specification Available
Hi Stuart,
With your example range (4) below (affects scan and fax,
but not print) you have neatly shown why I think that the
ranges are no help. When you add a document transform
function, an email function, an instant messaging function,
etc., these combination ranges become impractical.
We are overloading right-most subunit index to specify
function (loosely 'imaging device').
But the ambiguity goes away when there's an XML Schema
or a MIB or whatever that _does_ expose associations of
device and service with subordinate subunits - because the
one-to-many from subunit "up" is explicit. That's what
the current WIMS/SM Service and Device objects and my
several drafts of an Imaging System MIB do.
I suggest we replace this appendix with a "Rationale for
Design Alternatives" appendix (as in IPP PSX spec) and
explain why ranges of subunit indices is impractical
and not extensible.
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Stuart
Rowley
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:27 PM
To: Bergman, Ron; pmp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: PMP> New MFP Alert Groups Specification Available
Ron,
Thanks for posting the changes so quickly.
I am still a little concerned that the case of a subunit used by
multiple
functions is not clear. We discussed the subunits that use the print
function and the fax function as being in the print function index
range,
but what about the example of a cover open which means the scan function
is
out and the (outbound) fax function is out, but the print function is
unaffected? What range would an implementation use in this case?
Maybe we need 4 ranges:
1: affects print function alone or in combination with other functions
(does
not break current implementations)
2: affects scan function exclusively
3: affects fax function exclusively
4: affects scan and fax function
Thanks,
Stuart
Stuart Rowley
Network Product Mgr.
Kyocera Technology Development
1855 Gateway Blvd. #400
Concord, CA 94520
stuart.rowley@ktd-kyocera.com
V: 925.849.3306
F: 925.849.3399
From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Bergman,
Ron
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:10 AM
To: pmp@pwg.org
Subject: PMP> New MFP Alert Groups Specification Available
The latest MFP Alerts Specification is now available at:
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-mfp-alert-groups10-20061117.doc
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-mfp-alert-groups10-20061117.pdf
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/wd/wd-mfp-alert-groups10-20061117-rev.pdf
This document contains the changes discussed in last Wednesday's
teleconference.
Ron Bergman
Chairman, PWG PMP Work Group
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