IPP Mail Archive: IPP> RE: PWG> Media Surface characteris

IPP> RE: PWG> Media Surface characteristics

From: Harry Lewis (harryl@us.ibm.com)
Date: Mon Mar 28 2005 - 20:13:21 EST

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    I suggested further replies be sent to PWG reflector ONLY (not IPP). The
    topic is broader then just IPP but I wanted to capture IPP participants
    attention.

    As for the topic... I think the point is that these characteristics DO
    affect printing... that is the whole point. But surface characteristics
    which affect printing can be achieved via more methods than just coating.
    I don't think we intended to write a separate list of surface
    characteristics which might be achieved by each method. So, our use of
    "coating" is colloquial. I have no problem with that. If someone were to
    interpret literally, they would be left wondering how to describe
    something like "glossy-non-coated".
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    Harry Lewis
    IBM STSM
    Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
    http://www.pwg.org
    IBM Printing Systems
    http://www.ibm.com/printers
    303-924-5337
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    "Bergman, Ron" <Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com>
    03/28/2005 05:48 PM

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    Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, <pwg@pwg.org>
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    RE: PWG> Media Surface characteristics

    Harry,
     
    This appears to be a reasonable suggestion. The only potential "catch"
    would be if the
    presence of a coating, rather than the surface finish, affects the print
    characteristics.
    (I am not aware of a situation that falls into this category, but I also
    don't have much
    experience with technologies other than laser.)
     
    If the coating does matter, then the MediaCoatingWKV is deficient in
    providing that
    information, since I suspect there is more information necessary than is
    currently
    defined to define the coating characteristics.
     
        Ron
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-pwg@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Harry Lewis
    Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 2:09 PM
    To: pwg@pwg.org
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    Subject: PWG> Media Surface characteristics

    In the IPP Production Print Attributes - Set 1,
    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-ippprodprint10-20010212-5100.3.pdf

    Page 47, 3.13.10 we describe Job Template attributes which augment the IPP
    media definitions including "media-front-coating" and
    "media-back-coating".
    These are likewise reflected in the PWG Semantic Model v1.0
    MediaWellKnownValues.xsd as "MediaCoatingWKV".
            </xsd:simpleType>
            <xsd:simpleType name="MediaCoatingWKV">
                    <xsd:restriction base="xsd:NMTOKEN">
                            <xsd:maxLength value="255"/>
                            <xsd:enumeration value="none"/>
                            <xsd:enumeration value="glossy"/>
                            <xsd:enumeration value="high-gloss"/>
                            <xsd:enumeration value="semi-gloss"/>
                            <xsd:enumeration value="satin"/>
                            <xsd:enumeration value="matte"/>
                    </xsd:restriction>
            </xsd:simpleType>

    Three questions to be considered

    1. In use, it seems what we really wanted to convey is "surface
    characteristics". By labeling the element "coating" and including the
    value "none", there is an implication that coating is necessary and it
    leaves NO WAY to represent surface characteristics of a NON-COATED media.
    For example, in paper, it is possible to achieve a high gloss via high
    pressure calendaring (no coating... but results in shiny surface". IS IT
    ACCEPTED PROPER INTERPRETATION TO USE MediaCoatingWKV to mean media
    surface characteristics, in general, coated or not?
    2. If the answer to 1 is YES, then what is the semantic of the value NONE?

    3. What is the accurate and preferred way to reference this "dictionary"
    in another document. Is it more proper to reference 5100.3-2001(The IPP
    extension which originally documented these values) or 5105.1 the Semantic
    Model, or point directly to MediaWellKnownValues.xsd? I assume SM is
    preferred.

    Sorry for the double post. I think this is broader than just an IPP
    question but the root document is an IPP extension.
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    Harry Lewis
    IBM STSM
    Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
    http://www.pwg.org
    IBM Printing Systems
    http://www.ibm.com/printers
    303-924-5337
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