My goal is not to make things more complicated so I would propose
"print-ink-save" and let the implementation decide what or how, as you
suggest. My main point is that "toner-saver" is too concrete a concept in
too many implementations for it not to be explicit.
As far as choosing a name - Toner, vs, Ink, vs Glop... whatever...
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Harry Lewis
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http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
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"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>
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07/12/2003 10:40 AM
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RE: IPP> Print Quality Issue resolution
Hi Harry,
Not a flat set - we already had a multi-attribute set of (at least):
1) print-quality
2) printer-resolution
3) media
They interact to produce the desired print quality, as Pete observed.
Having said that, since "print-content-optimize" now ONLY enumerates
document content metadata, yes I'd be happy to add another new
attribute:
print-ink-save (boolean)
Bob Taylor and others have correctly pointed out that 'toner' is
only used in laser printing - 'ink' or 'marker' or something else
is used in the other printing processes.
Cheers,
- Ira McDonald
High North Inc
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From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:49 AM
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Subject: RE: IPP> Print Quality Issue resolution
My concern is that "save toner" is probably the most concrete concept
compared to "Good, Better, Best" or "Text, Image, Graphics". The later has
efficient application only in special cases (some of which may be very
significant, like printing photo's). Otherwise, people stare at their
mixed
object document and wonder. I feel "save toner" should be explicit.
We went from a flat set of descriptors to a pairing.. perhaps we should
really go to a matrix (although I don't like the perceived complexity)
Good - Better - Best
Text - Text+Graphics - Graphics - Image
TonerSaving
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Harry Lewis
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
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"Zehler, Peter" <PZehler@crt.xerox.com>
07/11/2003 04:54 AM ToHarry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, "Zehler, Peter"
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SubjectRE: IPP> Print Quality Issue resolution
Harry,
We felt that there are many different attributes involved in heuristics
for
saving toner and printing fast. Some of those are "resolution", "media"
and
aspects of the document content. We felt the requirements were met by
keeping the existing "print-quality" values and augmenting them with hints
on how to process the document content to achieve 'draft' 'normal' and
'high'. The assumption is that draft is fastest and uses the least toner.
Pete
Peter Zehler
XEROX
Xerox Innovation Group
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Subject: Re: IPP> Print Quality Issue resolution
> We finally agreed that the two values 'save-toner' and 'speed' are
implied
by the "print-quality". Since they were not required, they were removed.
I think this warrants further examination. I have known toner saving
methods
that do a very good job of preserving print quality.
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Harry Lewis
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
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SubjectIPP> Print Quality Issue resolution
All,
During the PWG/FSG meeting in Portland we had a discussion about the IPP
"print-quality" attribute and FSG's desire to add two new values,
'economy'
and 'fine', where 'economy' is lower than 'draft' and 'fine' is higher
than
'high'. The FSG further proposed the addition of a new attribute, called
"print-optimize", that would augment "print-quality" with values of
'image',
'photo', 'text', 'text-and-image', 'save-toner' and 'speed'.
With regard to 'economy' and 'fine', we agreed that 'economy' would map to
"print-quality"='draft' and 'fine' to "print-quality"='high'. There may
be
end user visible features that map to multiple attributes. We leave it to
specific print domains to model these higher level aggregate features.
When
appropriate we will add needed elements to the Semantic Model.
There was a lot of push back on "print-optimize". The main concern was
that
"print-optimize" contained a mixed bag of items. The two main categories
were content metadata and rendering hints. We finally agreed that the two
values 'save-toner' and 'speed' are implied by the "print-quality". Since
they were not required, they were removed. The remaining values are
needed
to direct the type of optimization/processing that will be performed on
the
content. It does not necessarily mean the value describes the content. To
clarify this we changed the attribute name to "print-content-optimize".
Finally the value 'image' seemed the same as 'photo'. The name for this
was
changed to 'graphic'.
As a result the following attribute will be added to the JobX
specification
in it next revision.
print-content-optimize (type2 keyword)
This attribute refines the value specified by the print-quality
attribute.
The standard keyword values are:
'graphic': optimize for graphic clarity
'photo': optimize for photo clarity
'text': optimize for text clarity
'text-and-graphic': optimize for both text and graphic clarity
Peter Zehler
XEROX
Xerox Innovation Group
Email: PZehler@crt.xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 422-7961
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701
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