Hi Carl,
I agree that something should be added to the (next,
not current) version of the IPP Implementors Guide.
I also agree that it's perfectly possible to contact
in IPP implementation using IPP/1.0 version and an
'ipp:' URL (although RFC 2565/2566 are entirely silent
on this topic, except for the IESG nasty-gram on the
cover sheets).
Let's beat this issue up on the mailing list. If we
can get some good concensus, then I'd be delighted to
treat the issue right in the I-D (future standards track
RFC) that registers the 'ipp:' URL scheme. According
to the IETF, this kind of protocol version issue SHOULD
be addressed right in the same RFC.
Cheers,
- Ira McDonald, consulting architect at Sharp and Xerox
High North Inc
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Kugler [mailto:kugler@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:30 PM
To: McDonald, Ira
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: IPP> I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipp-url-scheme-00.txt
Well, then, maybe it should go into the Implementer's Guide or something.
A lot of these rules for backward compatibility would be non-intuitive to
me, for one. I've always thought that these backward compatibility rules
are the hardest part of supporting the "ipp:" scheme.
-Carl
"McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com> on 01/22/2001 04:49:35 PM
To: Carl Kugler/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, ipp@pwg.org
cc:
Subject: RE: IPP> I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipp-url-scheme-00.txt
Hi Carl,
I was directed to REMOVE discussion of backward
compatibility with IPP/1.0, because the IETF docs
(RFC 2565/2566) for IPP/1.0 do not specify the
use of the 'ipp:' URL scheme (although many
implementations of IPP/1.0 correctly accept and
process 'ipp:' URL schemes in clients and servers).
Cheers,
- Ira McDonald, co-editor of 'ipp:' URL scheme I-D
High North Inc
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Kugler [mailto:kugler@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:11 AM
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: RE: IPP> I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipp-url-scheme-00.txt
What ever happened to the section about backward compatibility with
IPP/1.0? It used to be in
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_PRO/ipp-scheme-981116.doc
-Carl
1 Compatibility with IPP/1.0
For compatibility with IPP/1.0, clients and IPP objects (i.e. a server)
MUST support additional schemes as described in this section:
· If a server receives an IPP/1.0 request, it MUST return an IPP/1.0
response. That is, it MUST support an http-URL in the target "printer-uri"
and "job-uri" operation attributes in a request. If the server returns any
of the 3 attributes, "job-uri", "job-printer-uri" or
"printer-uri-supported" in the response, the value of these attributes MUST
be http-URLs. For security, a server MAY also support https-URLs.
· When a server returns the printer attribute "printer-uri-supported",
it MUST return all supported values for an IPP/NV request. For an IPP/1.0
request, a server MUST NOT return values that are ipp-URLs, i.e. it MUST
return only the http-URLs and https-URLs.
· The table below shows the type of URL that a server returns for the
"job-uri" and "job-printer-uri" job attributes for all operations based on
how the job was created. The "or" in the table below indicates an
implementation option.
|-----------+------------------------------------|
| Operation | Job created via |
| attributes| |
| for a | |
| request | |
|-----------+------------------------------------|
| | ipphttphttps |
|-----------+------------------------------------|
| ipp | ippippNo URL returned |
|-----------+------------------------------------|
|http | httphttpNo URL returned |
|-----------+------------------------------------|
|https | https or httphttps or httphttps |
|-----------+------------------------------------|
· If a server registers an ipp-URL with a name service, then it
MUST also register an http-URL. If a printer supports a secure
connection using SSL3, then it MUST register an https-URL.
· An IPP/NV client MUST use an ipp-URL for non-secure printers
unless it receives a "version not supported" error message. Then it
MUST try to send a request in version 1.0, using the http-URL in
place of the ipp-URL for the target "job-uri" and "printer-uri"
operation attributes in the request. For secure printers, an IPP/NV
client must operate as an IPP/1.0 client and use an https-URL. An
IPP/1.0 client MUST use an http-URL for non-secure printers and an
https-URL for secure printers.
--- In ipp@egroups.com, "Hastings, Tom N" <hastings@c...> wrote:
I've made a .pdf file with line numbers from the .txt I-D and posted
both of
them at:
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_URL/draft-ietf-ipp-url-scheme-00.pdf
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_URL/draft-ietf-ipp-url-scheme-00.txt
As usual, send any comments to the DL. This will also be on the
agenda for
next week's IPP WG meeting and maybe today's telecon, if callers want
to
discuss.
Tom
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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This draft is a work item of the Internet Printing Protocol Working
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Title : Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): IPP URL
Scheme
Author(s) : R. Herriot, I. McDonald
Filename : draft-ietf-ipp-url-scheme-00.txt
Pages : 15
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