IPP Mail Archive: Re: IPP> OPS - Redirect-Job (a ka Move-Job

Re: IPP> OPS - Redirect-Job (a ka Move-Job) included in Job andPrinter A dmin (Set2) spec

From: kugler@us.ibm.com
Date: Tue Jul 11 2000 - 14:35:32 EDT

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    Michael wrote:
    >kugler@us.ibm.com wrote:
    >> ...
    >> I claim that if you have an IPP server implementation, you've got
    >> most of what you need to make an IPP client. Accepting IPP
    >> ...
    >
    >This may be the case for some implementations (it certainly is for
    >CUPS - the client and server share 99% of the HTTP and IPP
    >processing code)
    >
    That's the case in our implementations, too.

    >However, the issue is not whether the IPP server can generate an
    >IPP request to send to another server. Moving a job to the new
    >server potentially requires:
    >
    > 1. Encryption
    > 2. Authentication
    > 3. Transferring multiple files for a job
    > 4. Handling of attribute conflicts
    > 5. Getting a response back to the client with the
    > new printer-uri, job-uri, and job-id before the
    > client times out
    >
    Clients shouldn't time out. To quote the IPP Model: At job submission
    time, a Printer object, especially a non-spooling Printer, MAY accept jobs
    that it does not have enough space for. In such a situation, a Printer
    object MAY stop reading data from a client for an indefinite period of
    time. A client MUST be prepared for a write operation to block for an
    indefinite period of time

    Similarly, the client should be prepared for a Move-Job operation to block
    for an indefinite period of time.

    >I'm sure my list isn't complete.
    >
    >Authentication is a big problem - how do we "proxy authenticate"
    >a request?
    >
    This is where the Get-Job/Print-Job approach could be useful. The client
    sucks the Job back from the old Printer and then submits it to the new
    Printer in the usual way.

    >The multiple file per job issue is another problem - if the
    >destination doesn't support Create-Job and Send-Document, how
    >do you map the move then?
    >
    I would simply fail the Move-Job request with
    server-error-operation-not-supported.

    >The timeout issue is real - imagine transferring a 200MB
    >document to another printer that only supports Print-Job?
    >You'd have to wait until the document is sent to get the
    >new job-id and associated attributes - the client might
    >give up waiting on the response, and then reissue the
    >request, etc...
    >
    Again, clients shouldn't time out. Non-idempotent requests shouldn't be
    retried, at least without human intervention.

    >--
    >______________________________________________________________________
    >Michael Sweet, Easy Software Products mike@easysw.com
    >Printing Software for UNIX http://www.easysw.com

         -Carl



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