Hi,
Replied to 'pwg at pwg.org' to reduce the static on 'announce'.
I agree with Bill's point - that a 'last call' should end
at a _working_group_ face-to-face (and also be summarized
and reported at the plenary on the same or nearby day).
However, it's my impression that neither Alan Berkema (chair)
nor Dave Hall (primary editor) will be at _this_ face-to-face
in person. How 'face-to-face' does the 'last call' finish
have to be?
Alan and Dave - do either of you plan to travel to Montreal
for the face-to-face on August 16-18?
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Wagner,William [mailto:WWagner at NetSilicon.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:28 AM
To: McDonald, Ira; Berkema, Alan C (R&D Roseville); pwg-announce at pwg.org
Subject: RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PSI to Begin New Last Call Review (ends
August 18)
This perhaps should be on the Process/2.0 last call discussion rather than
announce, but since Ira brings up request to change the August Face-to-Face
schedule, I am commenting here.
Ira's point is valid and not just in this instance. It would suggest that
the Plenary should always be the last meeting in a Face-to-face set. But I
think this reflects a problem in the Process document, where the intent was
to address the fact that some companies were disinclined to voice their
objections in email or phone conference. I suggest that to address the
perceived problem, the process document should require that last call closes
with a face-to-face meeting of the working group (which may be held in
conjunction with a plenary). But, as we discussed, plenaries can be held as
phone conferences, which would not address the intent at all. Further, the
actual closing of last call may require discussions among those concerned,
which may not be of interest to the plenary group as a whole. I suggest
that, with the last call being announced to the overall organization, any
company with sufficient interest to make objections can attend the next face
to face of that working group if they prefer to discuss the question face to
face.
If this modification to the process document (which, as an overall PWG
document would have final call closed at a plenary) is made, the PSI last
call would reasonably be ended at the scheduled PSI face-to-face.
Bill Wagner
-----Original Message-----
From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald at sharplabs.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:43 PM
To: 'Berkema, Alan C (R&D Roseville)'; pwg-announce at pwg.org
Subject: RE: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PSI to Begin New Last Call Review (ends
August 18)
Hi,
A nit - according to Process/2.0 (now in 'last call'), a
PWG 'last call' must end in a Plenary, which will be on
August 18 (Wednesday) at the coming face-to-face.
Oddly, _after_ the Plenary ends the PSI 'last call',
we actually discuss PSI and Events Wednesday afternoon?
This August schedule should be fixed:
- Moving PSI back to sometime Monday
- Presenting completed 'last call' summary on Wednesday
morning in the Plenary
Harry, others - OK to fix this PWG August schedule?
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pwg-announce at pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg-announce at pwg.org]On
Behalf Of Berkema, Alan C (R&D Roseville)
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:10 PM
To: pwg-announce at pwg.org
Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PSI to Begin New Last Call Review
All,
Here are the files, thanks to Ira, Jerry, and Dave!
The last call review process begins on 07/23/2004 and will end on
08/16/2004.
We will accept e-mail comments during this time period on the psi
reflector.
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ps/wd/wd-psi10-20040721.pdf (and .doc)
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ps/wd/wd-psi10-20040721-rev.pdf (and .doc)
Also the events Schema
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ps/schemas/events-20040721.xsd
Last Call Comment resolution meeting tbd at F2F?
Thanks,
Alan Berkema