Hi Mike,
Ah - I think I understand what you mean now.
In most Printer MIB v1/v2 entries as well as *all*
of the PDF/PS/PCL proposed entries, the vendor
name is BEFORE the name of the language in the
ASN.1 comments - that's where it belongs.
And there is no IANA procedure for changing the
comments on an *already* registered value (such as
you suggested for the base PS and PCL values).
I want to avoid changing Printer MIB v1 registrations,
for stability - unless they're seriously defective - there's
deployed software out there that displays these ASN.1
comments in a "more info" tab/button.
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusichttp://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com
winter:
579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176
734-944-0094
summer:
PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
906-494-2434
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Ira McDonald wrote:
>> Hi George and Mike,
>>>> I *strongly* disagree with dropping "HP" and "Adobe" from the
>> ASN.1 comments for these new registrations.
>> Ira, I'm not suggesting that we drop "HP" or "Adobe", just that we adopt the format used by the current entries (which puts the vendor name *after* the format name) for consistency. I absolutely agree that we need to still have the vendor listed since HP and Adobe control/own the corresponding formats.
>>> Ever since RFC 1759, the company that defined each printer
>> language has been named explicitly in all ASN.1 comments.
>> This is *very* important in order to distinguish from (possible
>> future) registrations of other vendor-extended variants.
>>>> Look at all of our recent XPS, OpenXPS, JDF, JMF, PPML, etc.
>> IANA registrations as well as the Printer MIB v1/v2 legacy.
>>>> If Ricoh wishes, they can request registration of vendor variants
>> of PCL (that include "Ricoh" in both the enum tags and ASN.1
>> comments).
>>>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc>> mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com>> winter:
>> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176
>> 734-944-0094
>> summer:
>> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
>> 906-494-2434
>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
>>> That's probably appropriate; Ira, let's normalize the PCL and PostScript
>>> descriptions to match the format of the current registrations:
>>>>>> langPCL(3), -- PCL. Starting with PCL version 5,
>>> -- HP-GL/2 is included as part of the
>>> -- PCL language.
>>> -- PCL and HP-GL/2 are registered
>>> -- trademarks of Hewlett-Packard
>>> -- Company.
>>>>>> langPS(6), -- PostScript (tm) Language
>>>>>> -- Postscript - a trademark of Adobe
>>> -- Systems Incorporated which may be
>>> -- registered in certain jurisdictions
>>>>>> Looks like the existing langPDF and the new langPDF* definitions are already
>>> using the same conventions, so just the new PCL and PS descriptions need
>>> updating.
>>> On May 3, 2010, at 1:49 PM, George Liu wrote:
>>>>>>> I think we are stuck treating these as languages/language families.
>>>>>> I'd like to suggest change the description for langPCL3, langPCL3GUI,
>>> langPCL5e, langPCL5c. Rename "HP Printer Command Language xxx" to "Printer
>>> Command Language xxx"
>>>>>> George
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet at apple.com]
>>> Sent: Mon 5/3/2010 11:15 AM
>>> To: George Liu
>>> Cc: Ira McDonald; pwg-announce at pwg.org>>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants for
>>> IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>>>>> On May 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM, George Liu wrote:
>>>> Has PCL-XL been left out intentionally?
>>>>>> Yes, because it is already registered in RFC 3805:
>>>>>> langPCLXL(47), -- Not in RFC 1759
>>> -- Printer Control Language. Extended
>>> -- language features for printing, and
>>> -- printer control.
>>> -- Tammy Ferguson (HP)
>>> -- and Binnur Al-Kazily (HP)
>>> -- Technical reference manual: None
>>> -- Hewlett-Packard Co.
>>>>>>>>>>> There're PCL-XL 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, etc. Microsoft GPD based mini drivers is
>>>> able to generate PCL-XL.
>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 10:47 AM
>>>> To: George Liu; Ira McDonald
>>>> Cc: pwg-announce at pwg.org; Michael R Sweet
>>>> Subject: Re: [Pwg-Announce] Call for Review of langPDF/PS/PCL variants
>>>> for IANAPrinter MIB (30 April 2010)
>>>>>>>> Hi George,
>>>>>>>> Right - we're only talking about the graphics drawing aspect
>>>> of these printer languages.
>>>>>>>> The IEEE 1284 Device ID format only supports a list of
>>>> printer languages - it cannot be extended (interoperably)
>>>> for these other device-specific aspects.
>>>>>>>> The PWG cannot actually extend the capabilities keywords
>>>> or their syntax in the base IEEE 1284 spec.
>>>>>>>> So the scope of comments we're requesting is only to identify
>>>> any other common variants of PCL (for example) that should
>>>> be registered with IANA.
>>>>>>>> All of these are enumerated values in the single Printer MIB
>>>> integer object prtInterpreterLangFamily. Other objects such
>>>> as prtInterpreterLangLevel and prtInterpreterDescription can
>>>> be used by vendors to distinguish vendor-unique features.
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - Ira
>>>>>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>>>>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>>>>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc>>>> mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com>>>> winter:
>>>> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176
>>>> 734-944-0094
>>>> summer:
>>>> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
>>>> 906-494-2434
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, George Liu <george.liu at ricoh-tech.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Unlike PDF, which is a document format, Postscript and PCL/PCL-XL are
>>>> PDL, which means printer-device specific.
>>>>>>>>>> A Tray-1 PCL command for HP printer means Bypass Tray, but means the
>>>> first tray under the printer engine for Ricoh printer.
>>>>> Also, in Postscript, there are many vendor specific Postscript
>>>> setpagedevice commands.
>>>>>>>>>> How will the new command set definition handles this case?
>>>>>>>>>> Are we only taking about the graphics drawing part not the device
>>>> control part?
>>>>> Or are we making "langPCL5e" only for a specific vender?
>>>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________________________________
> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>>>
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