Hi Randy,
My two cents.
We *always* transform one or more documents into
some different one or more documents.
So - for everything *but* natural language transforms,
we have to keep using the IPP and PWG SM universal
choice of document-format as IANA MIME type.
For the particular named transform(s) for natural
language, script, transliteration, etc., we probably
need new first-class properties that strictly conform
to the IETF LTRU specs (effectively input and output
language tags w/ IETF-approved ornaments).
Cheers,
- Ira
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Randy Turner <rturner at amalfisystems.com>wrote:
> Yeah, I was about to reply that I've never seen a mime tag specifying
> natural language...
>> This was my only issue with the current transform draft - we may want to
> treat "what" is being transformed as a higher layer abstraction, removing
> any concrete mappings
>> R.
>>>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> This needs some major thought and discussion.
>> The current IETF standards around language tags
> allow description of script and many other dimensions
> besides "natural language" (US English).
>> I'm not sure of the standardization status of language
> tags on MIME types, but the PWG *definitely* should
> NOT be inventing this home brew.
>> I'd rather use first class attributes for complex language,
> script, transliteration, etc. transformations.
>> We need advice here from the IETF LTRU (Language
> Tag Registry Update) WG chairs and editors.
>> There IS work-in-progress in IETF LTRU WG for
> language tag translation-request extensions.
>> MIME Types proper should be reserved for document
> formats, NOT for document metadata (like language
> tags).
>> Cheers,
> - Ira
>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc> mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com> Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094
> Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434
>>>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
>>> Randy,
>>>> MIME media types can include parameters; we'd just need to extend the
>> current definitions of the types we care about to include a "language"
>> parameter.
>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Randy Turner wrote:
>>>> How would I specify I wanted a document transformed from UK English to
>> French using Mime types ?
>>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:52 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Randy,****
>>>> The rationale for these ops is to enumerate the possible "from" and "to"
>> formats for transformations. To resolve the "from" and "to" mapping issue
>> one side of the mapping is fixed based on the op. The formats are defined
>> as Mime types reusing the definition from print and scan. I am unaware of
>> any constraints as to what a “format” can be since the Mime value is
>> qualified. The DocumentFormatWKV simple type (PwgWellKnownValues.xsd) has
>> some values listed. I expect the list to be expanded during the Transform
>> Service discussions. The “MimeExtensionPattern” permits any valid Mime
>> value to be used as well.****
>>>> Pete****
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>>>> *From:* Randy Turner [mailto:rturner at amalfisystems.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2012 9:41 AM
>> *To:* Zehler, Peter
>> *Cc:* <mfd at pwg.org>
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>>>> Hi Pete****
>>>> Regarding the "ListInputFormat/ListOutputFormat" operations in the
>> transform service definition...is the rationale for these ops to enumerate
>> the possible "from" and "to" formats for transformations?****
>>>> ** **
>>>> If so, where are these formats defined? And are any constraints as to
>> what a "format" can be?****
>>>> ** **
>>>> Thanks****
>>>> Randy****
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