[IPP] Minutes posted from today's concall

[IPP] Minutes posted from today's concall

Smith Kennedy smitty.standards at gmail.com
Wed Oct 21 20:12:03 UTC 2026


Hi Mike and Ira,

>> - 'firmware-update-acquisition'
>> - 'firmware-update-acquisition-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-validation'
>> - 'firmware-update-validation-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-installation'
>> - 'firmware-update-installation-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-activation'
>> - 'firmware-update-activation-failed'


I have no objections to this set.

Does anybody else have comments or recommendations?

Smith



> On Oct 21, 2026, at 7:46 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike and Smith,
> 
> I much prefer Mike's second alternative, i.e., "-acquisition" alone for "in-progress",
> because it's a state-reason and doesn't need "in-progress" or "processing" suffix.
> 
> I suggest that "paused" (the "finished" pause transition) versus "resuming" (the 
> "in-progress", that is expressed as a gerund) were past attempts at readability.
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2026 at 9:01 AM Michael Sweet via ipp <ipp at pwg.org <mailto:ipp at pwg.org>> wrote:
>> Smith,
>> 
>> Sorry, I had an action to update the wiki page...
>> 
>> I had originally proposed renaming 'xxx-in-progress' to 'xxxing' to better match existing progress/transitional keywords and removing 'xxx-failed' to further reduce the number of keywords we are adding, not being sure that they provide useful/available/actionable information.  Discussions in our last concall had consensus on keeping the 'xxx-failed' keywords along with the recommendation to use "printer-state-message" and "printer-detailed-status-messages" attributes.
>> 
>> Some existing keyword examples:
>> 
>> - 'moving-to-paused' and 'paused' and 'resuming'
>> - 'stopping' and 'stopped-partly'
>> - 'subunit-cooling-down' and 'subunit-over-temperature'
>> - 'subunit-warming-up' and 'subunit-under-temperature'
>> 
>> Alternatives could be:
>> 
>> - 'firmware-update-acquisition-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-acquisition-processing'
>> - 'firmware-update-validation-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-validation-processing'
>> - 'firmware-update-installation-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-installation-processing'
>> - 'firmware-update-activation-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-activation-processing'
>> 
>> or:
>> 
>> - 'firmware-update-acquisition'
>> - 'firmware-update-acquisition-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-validation'
>> - 'firmware-update-validation-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-installation'
>> - 'firmware-update-installation-failed'
>> - 'firmware-update-activation'
>> - 'firmware-update-activation-failed'
>> 
>> 
>> > On Oct 20, 2026, at 5:26 PM, Smith Kennedy <smitty.standards at gmail.com <mailto:smitty.standards at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi Mike and all,
>> > 
>> > I'm starting to dig into creating the next draft of IPP Firmware Update Extensions v1.0 so that I can have a draft completed for review at the F2F and also hopefully have my prototype updated as well. I was reviewing what we have in the wiki:
>> > 
>> > https://github.com/istopwg/ippsample/wiki/Firmware-Updates#second-revision
>> > 
>> > The one thing that bothers me a little is the keyword structures. What has currently been proposed:
>> > 
>> > 'firmware-update-acquiring'
>> > 'firmware-update-acquisition-failed'
>> > 'firmware-update-validating'
>> > 'firmware-update-validation-failed'
>> > 'firmware-update-installing'
>> > 'firmware-update-installation-failed'
>> > 'firmware-update-activating'
>> > 'firmware-update-activation-failed'
>> > 
>> > We changed from 'firmware-update-<PHASE>-in-progress' to 'firmware-update-<PHASE>ing'. This model seems a bit awkward because the "<PHASE>" substring of "<PHASE>ing" differs from the "<PHASE>" substring in "<PHASE>-failed". At the end of the day I don't actually care that much which one we choose but I want to try to avoid another round of string modifications. So should we have the above? Or should we have this?
>> > 
>> > 'firmware-update-acquisition-failed'
>> > 'firmware-update-acquisition-in-progress'
>> > 'firmware-update-validation-failed'
>> > 'firmware-update-validation-in-progress'
>> > 'firmware-update-installation-failed'
>> > 'firmware-update-installation-in-progress'
>> > 'firmware-update-activation-failed'
>> > 'firmware-update-activation-in-progress'
>> > 
>> > WDYT?
>> > 
>> > Smith
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> On Oct 8, 2026, at 2:29 PM, Michael Sweet via ipp <ipp at pwg.org <mailto:ipp at pwg.org>> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> All,
>> >> 
>> >> I have posted the minutes from today's IPP workgroup conference call to:
>> >> 
>> >>    https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20261008.pdf
>> >> 
>> >> Our next conference call is on October 24, 2026 at 3pm ET.
>> >> 
>> >> ________________________
>> >> Michael Sweet
>> >> 
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