Dianne,
Color adjustments without any type of preview seems quite hit-and-miss
(many prints until you get it right - how would you know the size of a
step?).
If they could be previewed, they could just as well be effected locally,
and thus not be needed - so therefore i assume it would be "postview" only.
A color profile would be the more proper way to transfer/maintain a
calibration - obviously with a longer process to create it.
If you don't mind me asking; what would be the use-case for this in-between
concept and how do you envision it working without a dozen wasted prints
each time?
Br,
Anton
Den tis 19 nov. 2024 kl 21:26 skrev Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP
Standards) via ipp <ipp at pwg.org>:
> Hi Dianne,
>> Most printer vendors have "process" settings similar to those you
> describe. Generally the core philosophy of standard IPP is to convey
> "intent" (what is the desired outcome) rather than "process" (how it should
> be done). Many times the process settings are tightly coupled to the
> underlying engine technology (inkjet, laser, dye sublimation, etc.) and can
> also be dependent on printer vendor technology.
>> Recognizing that, we added in IPP Driver Replacement Extensions v2.0 (PWG
> 5100.13-2023) a new "print-processing-attributes-supported" attribute,
> which provides a list of other attributes (standard and non-standard) that
> relate to "processing". This provides universal Clients (AirPrint, Mopria,
> IPP Everywhere) with a way to discover "process-related" attributes that
> can be presented in an "Advanced Settings" UI without having to know
> anything about the settings themselves (these almost always relate to
> actions taken by the Printer, not client-side). And it allow a Printer to
> list its process attributes (standard and vendor-unique). It basically
> provides a limited method of classification.
>> We've not seen any client or printer vendors pick this up yet, but if this
> sounds interesting please encourage your firmware teams to adopt it and
> encourage your client partners to adopt it as well. 😊
>> Hope this helps,
>> Smith
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>>> On Nov 19, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Colelli, Dianne via ipp <ipp at pwg.org> wrote:
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>> Hi Mike,
> Thanks for the follow up. We are looking for a way for a client to
> request adjustments to printed output image qualities (like lightness,
> contrast, saturation and color cast) with some granularity that could
> parallel a user interface offering a slider to select 'more' or 'less' of
> any of the image adjustment qualities. We are considering something vendor
> specific for print, modeled after the input-attributes collection
> attribute. However, leveraging standard attributes is preferred so I
> wanted to see if I was perhaps missing something.
>> Thanks!
> Dianne Colelli (she/her/hers)
> Software Systems Engineer
> Workplace Solutions Engineering
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> Subject: Re: [IPP] Is there a PWG standard for: print color and imaging
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>> Dianne,
>> On Nov 19, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Colelli, Dianne via ipp <ipp at pwg.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
> I found a PWG Proposed Standard from 2002- The Printer Working Group
> Standard for IPP: Color and Imaging Attributes (The Printer Working Group
> Standard for the Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): Color and Imaging
> Attributes) that includes attributes that for adjusting the printed image
> lightness, contrast, saturation (etc) with fine granularity.
>>> As you correctly surmised, that is an old (February 12, 2005) working
> draft that was never advanced. IIRC, there wasn't enough support within
> the PWG to develop this as ICC profiles and standard color spaces were
> becoming more commonplace and we didn't want to "hardcode" color controls...
>> I know we *did* include some of these controls in the FaxOut and Scan
> specs to control brightness and contrast for the scanner portion of the
> service. See section 7.1.1 in the FaxOut specification for the definition
> of the "input-attributes" collection attribute:
>>>https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/candidates/cs-ippfaxout10-20140618-5100.15.pdf#page=24>> What kind of functionality are you looking for, i.e., what are you trying
> to do?
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