That would be fine with me as well (Scan doesn't have the Add operation so we don't need to worry about AddScanScannedDocument :)
On 2013-08-07, at 11:52 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>> Or "Add<service>ScannedDocument"? "Hardcopy" is causing some
> confusion, it seems.
>> Cheers,
> - Ira
>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Michael Sweet <msweet at msweet.org> wrote:
> Ira,
>> IIRC, all of the SM operations use <service> in their names, currently Add<service>HardcopyDocument, Send<service>Document, and Send<service>Uri.
>> Using Add<service>ScanDocument might get confusing. Add<service>DocumentFromScanner? Or Send<service>DocumentFromScanner to retain consistency with the other Send operations?
>>> On 2013-08-07, at 11:32 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>> No - I object to AddHardcopyDocument. The only NEW kind of document
>> (other than w/ data by value or w/ data by reference) is a scanned document.
>> No other service would ever be infixed in your proposal.
>>>> I much prefer AddScanDocument as parallel to [Add/Send]Document.
>>>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
>> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
>> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
>> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
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>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Paul Tykodi <ptykodi at tykodi.com> wrote:
>> Hi Ira,
>>>>>>>> Following your logic, should we consider maintaining AddHardcopyDocument as the top level in the SM tree and then expand the model with Add<RelevantPWGDefinedService>Document at the next level in the model for each service that can support hardcopy document input?
>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>> /Paul
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>> E-mail: ptykodi at tykodi.com>> WWW: http://www.tykodi.com>>>> From: mfd-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:mfd-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:16 AM
>> To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald
>> Cc: IPP at pwg.org; mfd at pwg.org; Michael Sweet
>> Subject: Re: [MFD] [IPP] Don't redefine Hardcopy Document
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>> Which I think implies that I'd like to rename AddHardcopyDocument to
>>>> AddScanDocument.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - Ira
>>>>>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
>> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
>> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
>> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc>> mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com>> Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094
>> Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> At the risk of adding confusion...
>>>> We speak of submitting Jobs with document data by reference (URI)
>> or by value (attached).
>>>>>> Why not just add "by scan (local scanner)".
>>>> What I don't like about the term "Hardcopy Document Object" is that
>> the word Scan or Scanner isn't there, but this is always the source.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - Ira
>>>> PS - I dislike putting titlecase prefixes on Document Object or Job
>>>> Object - it muddies readability.
>>>>>>>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
>> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
>> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
>> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc>> mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com>> Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094
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>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com> wrote:
>>>> Mike,
>>>> Well, I guess I’ll be quiet now except to say it would be a good time to describe the attributes and constraints on all three types of Documents. J
>>>> Pete
>>>>>>>> Peter Zehler
>>>> Xerox Research Center Webster
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>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet at msweet.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:14 PM
>>>>>> To: Zehler, Peter
>> Cc: IPP at pwg.org; mfd at pwg.org>> Subject: Re: [IPP] Don't redefine Hardcopy Document
>>>>>>>> Pete,
>>>>>>>> I guess we are in violent agreement. One comment below.
>>>>>>>> On 2013-08-06, at 12:54 PM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com> wrote:
>>>> ..
>>>> This is the difference between a Hardcopy Document and a Hardcopy Document /Object/. We need to define the latter and not the former.
>>>> <PZ>I see no subclasses of Documents in the PWG Semantic Model or IPP. Whether a document is added to a Job by value, by reference, or by reference to the output of the scanner subunit, it is still just a Document object.
>>>>>>>> I am not suggesting a subclass of document.
>>>>>>>> We already categorize documents as "referenced" and "with attached document data". For hardcopy documents we would have a Document Object containing description attributes/elements that identify the source and properties of the hardcopy document.
>>>>>>>> I chose to call it a "Hardcopy Document Object" as opposed to a "Document Object with Associated Hardcopy Document Input Elements". How the digital representation is stored and when exactly the document is scanned are, IMHO, implementation specific.
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