IPP> Fwd: RE: definitions for media

IPP> Fwd: RE: definitions for media

Harry Lewis harryl at us.ibm.com
Thu Apr 19 15:38:41 EDT 2001


No, my point is the opposite. I never heard of "backprint-film". 
Therefore, unless I absolutely assure that it's purpose is identical to 
"photographic-film" I can't recommend a substitute. 

As for media type vs stock type... I think there is some blur there which 
I'm not ready to say I have a distinct recommendation how to handle it. I 
know only a smidgen about paper but I can easily see

SIZE           TYPE         STOCK

Letter          Bond        Bond
Letter          Kraft       Kraft
Letter         Fabric       #10 Woven
Letter         Transp       Polypropylene
Letter         Transp       Cellophane

(the later examples reveal my vast lack of textiles and plastics knowledge 
but I think it makes the point)

So I can imagine examples where type and stock are the same and where type 
and stock are different. I don't like the idea of "you can call Bond a 
type because it's a stock"... I think this will happen. There are 
occasions where I would support the opposite argument (Transp is a Type 
but not a Stock). 
---------------------------------------------- 
Harry Lewis 
IBM Printing Systems 
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RonBergman at aol.com
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Harry,

I gather that you are familar with the term "backprint-film".  I have 
never heard this before, but I do know "photographic-film".  If this is 
not the same, I will keep the first.

I had proposed the addition of "bond" as a media type and the agreement 
from the group was that this is properly a stock type.  Although we 
presently have several stock types in our media types due to legacy usage, 
we did not want to compound this mistake.  "Fabric" seems to also be a 
stock type, but if there is consensus to the contrary, I will add it as a 
media type.

   Ron

In a message dated Thu, 19 Apr 2001  1:20:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
"Harry Lewis" <harryl at us.ibm.com> writes:

<< If someone in the industry uses a term "backprint-film", I'm not sure 
it's 
wise for us to modify this to "photographic-film". 

I'm not sure I follow the comment that fabric is a stock therefore not a 
media-type. All media types are derived from some stock... no?

For example, what is the distinction between media type "transparency" and 

it's "stock" (velum?)?
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Harry Lewis 
IBM Printing Systems 
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RonBergman at aol.com
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Any comments?

     Ron Bergman
     Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions



----- Message from "Bergman, Ron" <Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com> on Thu, 
19 Apr 2001 08:54:59 -0700 -----
To:
"'iwauchi.nobuyuki at canon.co.jp'" <iwauchi.nobuyuki at canon.co.jp>
cc:
hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com, "'RonBergman at aol.com'" <RonBergman at aol.com>
Subject:
RE: definitions for media
Nobuyuki-san,

Sorry for the delayed response.  See my comments below.  I will 
have the two items indicated in the next version
=================================================================
Media type :

   'backprint-film' - Separately cut sheets of a  translucence film that
                      can be viewed with or without rear illumination.

RB>> I suggest "photographic-film".  Unless you object, I will add
RB>> with the new name.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Media coating :

   'high-gloss-film' - the media have  a "high-glossy-film" coating.
   (The reason I'd like to add is in the questions(Q2)...)

RB>> We have a "high-gloss" now, why is this not acceptable?
RB>> "high-gloss" can be used with either "photographic" or
RB>> "photographic-film"

   'coated' - the media which are easy for a ink to fix

RB>> "ink to fix"? Is it broken?  May I suggest "Indicates the media
RB>> has a coating that minimizes the spread of liquid inks."

   'fabric' - the media which made by weaving or felting or knitting or
              crocheting natural or synthetic fibers

RB>> "fabric" is a "media stock" rather than a "media type".
RB>> (We will most likely add "media stock" next.)
=================================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: iwauchi.nobuyuki at canon.co.jp [mailto:iwauchi.nobuyuki at canon.co.jp]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:00 AM
To: Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com
Cc: hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com
Subject: definitions for media


Hello Ron-san and Tom-san,

This time, I send a E-mail to Ron-san and Tom-san.
Because IPP members seem not to be interested in Media Names Spec
Discussion and I don't know whether this mail is useful for members.

But, I hope we will find a best way about the medias.

# If the following contents is useful, please transmit it to IPP ML.

Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com wrote:
> Can you provide definitions for those items that you would
> like added?  I will then send to the group for comments.

The following are the definitions for these item that I'd like to add.

=================================================================
High Gloss(Photo )Film :
 High-quality, high-gloss photo film to make your documents really
 shine. This is not a paper, but a film.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Photo Paper Pro :
 A high-gloss, heavy-weight Photo Paper produces truly remarkable,
 high-quality photo prints that are virtually indistinguishable from
 professional-lab results. This item has a media with tab-stock
 ( Related : a question 1 (Q1) I wrote before ).
-----------------------------------------------------------------
High Resolution Paper :
 A Paper that Designed to produce near-photographic quality print
 output - sharp and vivid graphics, images and photographs.
 It's a type of coated papers.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Back Print Film :
 This film produces sharp and vivid color output such as photographic
 images and graphics. Images printed on Back Print Film can be viewed
 with or without rear illumination.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Fabric Sheets :
 A sheet that you can print an images or photographs directly onto
 white cotton fabric. Create your own designs for cross stitch and
 needlework, or give new life to home decor by making your own pillows
 and lamp shades.
=================================================================


And the following are the definitions for these media that I'd like to 
add.

=================================================================
Media type :

   'backprint-film' - Separately cut sheets of a  translucence film that
                      can be viewed with or without rear illumination.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Media coating :

   'high-gloss-film' - the media have  a "high-glossy-film" coating.
   (The reason I'd like to add is in the questions(Q2)...)

   'coated' - the media which are easy for a ink to fix

   'fabric' - the media which made by weaving or felting or knitting or
              crocheting natural or synthetic fibers
=================================================================

Regard,

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   Canon Inc.  Tamagawa Office
   i Printer Development Center
   i Printer Design Dept.75

   Nobuyuki Iwauchi
     E-Mail: iwauchi at bpd.canon.co.jp
     phone : +81-44-844-2111
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iwauchi at cbj.canon.co.jp wrote:
>> I have some questions about the following cases:
>>
>> Q1: If a sheet is Photo Papar with tabs, what's a Media Type name
>> (MEDIA_PHOTOGRAPHIC_LABEL or photographic or tab-stock) ?
>>
>> Q2: If a sheet is Photo Paper of a high gloss film, what's a Media Type
Name
>> (MEDIA_HIGH_GLOSS_FILM or photographic) ?
>>
>>  I think it's better to add "high-gloss-film" to Media Coating 
Attribute
>> (like a
>> "glossy","high-glossy" etc. ), because "high-gloss-film" represent a
>> coating.
>> If so, I could specify a Media Type("Photogpaphic") and Media coating
>> ("high-gloss-film") in the Q2 case.
>>
>> I'd like to add the following media types(*) and media coating (**) to
>> existing
>> list.
>>
>> ==================================================================
>> Canon Media            | media type        | media coating
>> ==================================================================
>> High Gloss(Photo )Film | Photographic      | high-gloss-film (**)
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Photo Paper Pro        |  Photographic     | high-gloss
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> High Resolution Paper  |  stationery(?)    | coated (**)
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Back Print Film        |  BackPrintFilm(*) | none
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Fabric Sheets          |  stationery(?)    | fabric (**)
>> ==================================================================





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