Don's statement of "sanity" is refreshing to hear. Why are we in such a
rush to have a version 1.1?
We should also use this time to fully develop the IPP enhancements that
have been discussed.
Ron Bergman
Dataproducts Corp.
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 don at lexmark.com wrote:
> I disagree with the progression of IPP V1.1 at this time. I do not believe it
> is appropriate to even consider "last call" on this until some time after the
> publication of IPP V1.0. Since V1.0 has been approved as an "experimental"
> protocol, I would like to get some time on the V1.0 implementations to see what
> we have learned before we go charging off with V1.1. I know some companies have
> a misguided belief that everything must be standards track before they implement
> it; however, that is clearly not a concern of this group or of the IETF in
> general. Rather than churning version after version of IPP for everything
> little thing we learn (because we are in such a hurry for a standards track
> document), let's take a deep breath and measure our success with V1.0 and then
> take the time to do V1.1 right and include that learning.
>> Bottom line... let's put V1.1 on the shelf for a bit before we push it through
> the IETF process.
>> **********************************************
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>>>>>> cmanros%cp10.es.xerox.com at interlock.lexmark.com on 03/02/99 03:05:12 PM
>> To: ipp%pwg.org at interlock.lexmark.com> cc: moore%CS.UTK.EDU at interlock.lexmark.com, paf%swip.net at interlock.lexmark.com> (bcc: Don Wright/Lex/Lexmark)
> Subject: IPP> ADM - IPP Working Group Last Call for "Internet Printing Protocol
> /1.1 - Model and Semantics" and the "Internet Printing Protocol/1.1 - Enc
> oding and Transport"
>>>>> All,
>> This is a working group Last Call for the "Internet Printing Protocol/1.1 -
> Model and Semantics" and the "Internet Printing Protocol/1.1 - Encoding and
> Transport". Versions of these documents have been forwarded to the Internet
> Draft directory as <draft-ietf-ipp-model-v11-01.txt> and
> <draft-ietf-ipp-protocol-v11-00.txt>.
>> PDF and Word versions of the drafts are also posted at the ietf-ipp web
> site:
>>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/>> The Last Call notice follows:
>> This is a formal request for final comments within the IETF IPP
> working group for two documents. The documents are "Internet Printing
> Protocol/1.1 - Model and Semantics" and the "Internet Printing Protocol/1.1
> - Encoding and Transport" which are being proposed for forwarding on to the
> IESG for consideration as Standards Track RFCs. This is a working group
> product, which has been thoroughly discussed since mid 1998.
>> The document has undergone considerable review and revisions during the past
> month and I believe that we now have working group consensus on its
> adequacy.
>> The purpose of a working group Last Call is in the style of "speak now or
> forever hold your peace" in case there are fundamental objections which have
> not gotten previous or adequate discussion, or minor errors which need
> correction.
>> Last Calls are for a minimum of 2 weeks. To give ample time for comments
> from our Bake-off meeting on March 9-12 and the IETF-44 meeting on March
> 15-19, the period for working group comments will close on Friday, 19 March
> (US Pacific time reference).
>> The relevant documents are:
>> Title : Internet Printing Protocol/1.1: Model and
> Semantics
> Author(s) : R. de Bry, T. Hastings, R. Herriot,
> S. Isaacson, P. Powell
> Filename : draft-ietf-ipp-model-v11-01.txt
> Pages : 165
> Date : 25-Feb-99
>> This document is one of a set of documents, which together describe all
> aspects of a new Internet Printing Protocol (IPP). IPP is an
> application level protocol that can be used for distributed printing
> using Internet tools and technologies. This document describes a
> simplified model consisting of abstract objects, their attributes, and
> their operations that is independent of encoding and transport. The
> model consists of a Printer and a Job object. A Job optionally supports
> multiple documents. IPP 1.1 semantics allow end-users and operators to
> query printer capabilities, submit print jobs, inquire about the status
> of print jobs and printers, cancel, hold, release, and restart print
> jobs. IPP 1.1 semantics allow operators to pause, resume, and purge
> (jobs from) Printer objects. This document also addresses security,
> internationalization, and directory issues.
>> Title : Internet Printing Protocol/1.1: Encoding and
> Transport
> Author(s) : R. Herriot, S. Butler, P. Moore,
> R. Turner, J. Wenn
> Filename : draft-ietf-ipp-protocol-v11-00.txt
> Pages : 34
> Date : 22-Feb-99
>> This document is one of a set of documents, which together describe all
> aspects of a new Internet Printing Protocol (IPP). IPP is an application
> level protocol that can be used for distributed printing using Internet
> tools and technologies. This document defines the rules for encoding IPP
> operations and IPP attributes into a new Internet mime media type called
> 'application/ipp'. This document also defines the rules for
> transporting over HTTP a message body whose Content-Type is
> 'application/ipp'. This document defines a new scheme named 'ipp' for
> identifying IPP printers and jobs. Finally, this document defines rules
> for supporting IPP/1.0 clients
>> For retrieval:
>> URLs for these Internet-Drafts are:
>>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-model-v11-01.txt>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-protocol-v11-00.txt>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username
> "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in,
> type "cd internet-drafts" and then
> "get draft-ietf-ipp-protocol-v11-00.txt".
>> A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in
>http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt>> Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail.
>> Send a message to:
>mailserv at ietf.org.> In the body type:
> "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipp-protocol-v11-00.txt".
>> NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in
> MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this
> feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE"
> command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or
> a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers
> exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with
> "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split
> up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on
> how to manipulate these messages.
>>> Sincerely,
>> Carl-Uno Manros
> Principal Engineer - Xerox Architecture Center - Xerox Corporation
> 701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231
> Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514
> Email: manros at cp10.es.xerox.com>>>>>