I disagree with Ira statement; tech people will want a definition of
Cloud Printing and not be referred to some NIST definition on cloud
computing which they associate with software not printing. Unless NIST
where to provide a definition for cloud printing (scan, copy), it is the
PWG that provides printing related cloud definitions.
(The government does not have patents and contractors that work on
government contracts can not patent work funded directly by the
contract. (That based on 15 years of research work for government
contractors.) Copyright fall in the same area. I.e. a government photo
can be copyrighted by the government. All work done by and directly
funded by the government is in the public domain.)
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From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet at apple.com]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:23 PM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: cloud at pwg.org
Subject: Re: [Cloud] NIST cloud defs
In general you can't assume that any data or document from the
government is not copyrighted since contractors often hold joint
copyright (and patents, etc.) with the government, and there are more
contractors than civil service...
In any case, based on Ira's statement I'm thinking we'll want to
reference the NIST definitions and describe how Cloud Imaging fits in...
On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:
NIST is a US agency and, as so, work products are not copyrighted (I
believe by law). In fact their top page on cloud computing has the
following statement.
"This material is public domain although attribution to NIST is
requested. It may be freely duplicated and translated."
So maybe we should ask a different question. Do we want to (very)
tightly align our definition with content from NIST? I vote yes because
it shows coherence/alignment/??? with existing or other organization.
Note that the NIST definition and the one I propose are very high level
and interpretation for "Imaging" is what is are address.
Glen
p.s. If I can find the contact information I will send a note.
gwp
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From: Petrie, Glen
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:45 PM
To: Petrie, Glen; Michael Sweet
Cc: cloud at pwg.org
Subject: RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST cloud defs
Sorry Mike, I skipped over the part where you like the substance. So
I will send a note NIST folks.
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From: cloud-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of
Petrie, Glen
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:41 PM
To: Michael Sweet
Cc: cloud at pwg.org
Subject: RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST cloud defs
Your right about the "copying" but that can be addressed at a later
date. For the moment; is this the type of definition that was intended?
If not, can you or others suggest a couple to sentence on a definition?
I understand your point on 'Imaging' versus 'Printing/Printer'; but can
we put together a Print/Printing first at then see how to scope it for
Imaging?
Glen
________________________________
From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet at apple.com]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:15 PM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: cloud at pwg.org
Subject: Re: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST cloud defs
Glen,
While I like the substance of the definition, I am uneasy about copying
their words like this - it would be good to contact the authors to get
their written permission so that we credit them appropriately in the
cloud model spec.
Also, since we *are* doing Cloud Imaging, we probably want the
definition to use Cloud Imaging instead of Cloud Printing and Imaging
Device instead of Printer.
Thanks!
On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:
Based on the article referenced below I modified in an attempt to create
a definition for cloud printing. I thought it could be reviewed to see
if could be useful definition. In most cases, I literal changed
"computing" to "printing" (or printer). I also added a few print
related items.
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/white/CloudPrintingDef_V01_-_A_Suggestio
n.doc
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/white/CloudPrintingDef_V01_-_A_Suggestio
n.pdf
glen
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From: cloud-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of
Ira McDonald
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:47 AM
To: cloud at pwg.org; Ira McDonald
Subject: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST cloud defs
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Date: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:26 PM
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To share at the meeting, if it's useful:
http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/cloud-def-v15.doc
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Ricoh Americas Corporation
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