Print to PDF file is not *printing*, it is PDF document generation (closest analog in PWG SM would be Transform).
Most portable computers include a printing system and webcam, too, and in many cases you have software running on those computers (CUPS, SANE, etc.) that makes it look like a HCD.
I would much rather focus on the services that are supplied than the physical details of the devices providing them... (otherwise you end up with artificial limits that serve no useful purpose...)
On Apr 28, 2011, at 7:05 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:
> I do not mean the PDF print is out of scope; I mean the Apple iPhone as
> a HCD are out of scope. iPhone are multi-function devices that have
> print (PDF), scan(camera capture), fax, email, etc all as services. So
> are you suggesting we should include iPhone?
> glen
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tykodi [mailto:ptykodi at tykodi.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:33 AM
> To: Petrie, Glen
> Cc: cloud at pwg.org> Subject: RE: [Cloud] NIST cloud def is now an SP draft
>> Hi Glen,
>> I think one of the most valuable pieces of intellectual property defined
> by
> the PWG to date is the semantic model. It is in my opinion an amazing
> body
> of work, which has successfully abstracted the workings of both the
> single
> function and multi-function imaging devices available today. As such, I
> believe that allowing a PDF driver to be in scope for PWG Cloud Imaging
> is
> fine.
>> Why do you feel this example from your colleague needs to be explicitly
> made
> out of scope?
>> Thanks.
>> Best Regards,
>> /Paul
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> From: cloud-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of
> Petrie, Glen
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:11 AM
> To: cloud at pwg.org> Subject: RE: [Cloud] NIST cloud def is now an SP draft
>> I was not going to comment further on the definition but someone in my
> office brought the case: If printing including printing to PDF (we all
> have
> a PDF print driver on our desktop/laptops) then the current definition
> would
> include an Apple iPhone!!!!
>> Might I suggest
>> Cloud Imaging: Access to Hard Copy Device defined by the P2600 [.....]
> and
> associated services through a Cloud Computing infrastructure as defined
> by
> NIST Special Publication 800-145 [NISTCLOUD].
>> ==============================================================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet at apple.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:40 PM
> To: Petrie, Glen
> Cc: Brian Smithson; cloud at pwg.org> Subject: Re: [Cloud] NIST cloud def is now an SP draft
>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:
>> This was the reference Ira provided. It is about cloud computing. I
>> did not find a reference to Cloud Imaging or print. This is the one I
>>> red-line as a possible definition for cloud printing.
>> Right, however there was some discussion of whether we wanted to do
> that,
> reference the NIST definition, or use some hybrid approach where we had
> the
> one-liner definition that referenced the NIST Cloud Computing definition
> and
> then had a complete model definition (which is where I thought we ended
> up?)
>>> So I assume the cloud printing definition below this is Brain's
>> proposal. Interesting that email and transforms are now part of
>> imaging. So, I guess Cloud Imaging will include everything.
>> I wrote up the definition below and included all MFD services except
> System
> Control, however if we accept Cloud as a general replacement for SSO
> solutions we should probably include System Control as well...
>> How about the following for the one-liner definition:
>> Cloud Imaging: Access to Multi-Function Device services through a Cloud
> Computing infrastructure as defined by NIST Special Publication 800-145
> [NISTCLOUD].
>> ???
>> The model section would provide detailed bits like some of the content
> you
> developed from the NIST definition.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cloud-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf
> Of
>> Michael Sweet
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:42 PM
>> To: Brian Smithson
>> Cc: cloud at pwg.org>> Subject: Re: [Cloud] NIST cloud def is now an SP draft
>>>> Brian,
>>>> Thanks! Seems like we should definitely reference this in our model
>> document, e.g.:
>>>> Cloud Imaging: Printing, scanning, copying, facsimile, email, and
>> transformation of documents using a Cloud Computing infrastructure as
>> defined by NIST Special Publication 800-145 [NISTCLOUD].
>>>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Brian Smithson wrote:
>>>>>>>>http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/800-145/Draft-SP-800-145_cloud->> definition.pdf
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