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Hi,<br><br>[For review at next week's WIMS WG meeting on 27 October<br>and on mailing list]<br><br>My apologies to Tom Silver for delay in forwarding this request.<br><br>Below is a request for new IANA Printer MIB registrations from<br>
Tom Silver (Xerox) and excerpts of our discussion.<br><br>I saved Tom's original attachment at:<br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/white/xerox-ink-stick-level-example.png">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/white/xerox-ink-stick-level-example.png</a><br>
<br>Comments?<br clear="all"><br>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br><br>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Silver, Thomas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Thomas.Silver@xerox.com">Thomas.Silver@xerox.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Ira,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Because you are one of the Authors of the RFC 3805 Printer MIB v2, I have enclosed two new type 2 enumeration proposals which we would like to submit for your review:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p><u></u><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><u></u>Need to add ‘hundredthsOfInkSticks(20)’ to the ‘PrtMarkerSuppliesSupplyUnitTC’<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><b>Current State: </b>some Xerox products are beginning to expose ink stick level information in terms of ink sticks used. (see attached screen shot).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><b>Requirement:</b> The desire is to expose level information for ink stick-based products based upon the way ink sticks can be ordered; by the stick. We also want ink stick levels to be exposed in terms of quarters of ink sticks.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><b>Problem:</b> There is no easy way to expose current level information within the ‘prtMarkerSuppliesLevel’ object for print devices which utilize ink stick-based marking technology. Although the ‘items(18)’ enumeration from ‘PrtMarkerSuppliesSupplyUnitTC’ could be used, it does NOT give us the granularity that is desired (i.e. we want ink stick levels to be exposed in terms of quarters of ink sticks). The ‘percent(19)’ enumeration also cannot be utilized either because it would force the customer to have to manually compute how many ink sticks are remaining. Unfortunately, our SNMP-based remote apps cannot expose the same ink stick level information that is exposed at the device because the required enumerations are NOT defined within RFC 3805 Printer MIB v2.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.75in"><u></u> <u></u></p><p><u></u><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><u></u>Need to add ‘standardToner(35)’ and ‘matteToner(36)’ to the ‘PrtMarkerSuppliesTypeTC’<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><b>Current State:</b> Xerox production devices utilize different types of toners to achieve specific image quality targets.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><b>Requirement: </b>The desire is to expose specific enumerations for the different types of Xerox toner within the ‘prtMarkerSuppliesType’ object so that our remote applications can easily identify which toner is installed within the machine.<b><u></u><u></u></b></p>
<p style="margin-left:1.0in"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><u></u><b>Problem:</b> Our SNMP-based remote applications cannot easily identify which toner is installed within a Xerox production machine. Although the ‘prtMarkerSuppliesDescription’ object could be utilized to identify the different toner types, this object is defined as a localized string. Therefore, we do not want to write code to parse for the words “standard” or “matte” because these string values change depending upon the language of the string exposed. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">According to RFC 3805 Printer MIB v2, section 2.4.1. Registering Additional Enumerated Values:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">“…<i>Additional enumerated values require a Designated Expert Review defined in "Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs" [RFC2434]. The Designated Expert will be selected by the IETF Area Director(s) of the Applications Area</i>….”<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Who do I need to contact in order to have these new enumeration proposals considered for RFC 3805 Printer MIB v2?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance for your consideration,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tom<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">BTW, hope all is well. I see you are keeping busy…<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:red"> </span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:red"> </span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:red"><u></u><u></u></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:red">Thomas Silver<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:red">Mgr, Device Compliance<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:black">Global Remote Services<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:black">Xerox Information Management<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:black">Xerox Corporation<u></u><u></u></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:black">800 Phillips Road, MS 111-04A, Webster, NY 14580<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span><a href="mailto:thomas.silver@xerox.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:blue">thomas.silver@xerox.com</span></a><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Xerox Sans";color:#1F497D"> <br>
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<u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br>[Tom's reply on 27 September]<br><br> <br><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Ira,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thank you very much for the quick response! </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">FYI,
the maximum capacity for ink stick depends upon the channel hardware
capacity of the machine. Some Xerox machines support a maximum of 4 ink
sticks per color channel and some machines support a maximum of 6 ink
stick per color channel as shown within the previously enclosed screen
shot. I supposed the ‘hundredthsOfInkSticks(20)’ could be made more
generic to something like ‘hundredthsOfItems(20)’ instead. Just a
thought…</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">BTW,
I had a feeling that the toner type request may be met w/ some
skepticism. No worries though, just something that needs to be
considered… </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Michael,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I am interested in your thoughts on these two enum proposals when you get a moment…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thank you for taking the time to consider these proposals…</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Regards,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Tom</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Ira McDonald [mailto:<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 26, 2011 6:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> Silver, Thomas; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald<br><b>Subject:</b> Fwd: request for new enumerations for RFC 3805 Printer MIB v2...</span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
</p>Hi Tom,<br><br>Mike Sweet (Apple, IPP WG Secretary) and I are the current IETF <br>Designated Experts for IPP Registry and Printer/Finisher MIBs.<br><br>Mike - would you please read and think about these enum requests.<br>
<br>Tom - the process is that we put new IANA Printer MIB enum requests<br>on the WIMS WG list for review for at least two weeks - then we consider<br>(as a WG) the comments, if any. Then we (as a WG) decide to accept<br>
the requests (hopefully) and Mike or I send them to Amanda at IANA.<br><br><...snip...><br><br>My immediate thoughts are:<br><br>(1) What is the MaxCapacity for ink sticks (a bunch of ink sticks)?<br><br>(2) I see your point about standard versus matte toner, but I'm very<br>
nervous about these synonyms for 'toner' as a marker supplies<br>type - e.g., nobody will use 'standardToner' for quite awhile and,<br>when they do, Apple and Microsoft and tools like HP WJA will have<br>to fold them back together - hmm...<br>
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