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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thank you to all the respondents. The Last Call period for the
Power Management documents is ended.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Apparently, Ira wishes to address the last call comments in an
update without any further discussion, or the potential of any additional
comments, which is a completely valid interopretation of the process. Because the
formal vote is not anticipated until January (presumably so there will be some
chance to consider MPSA comments anticipated at December end?), there is no
rush. So, unless there is a specific request for a concall, there will be no
WIMS call this week. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We need to discuss with IDS who will have the time slot on 18
November. There will be no calls on 25 November. So our next WIMS call may be 2
December, where we would discuss the slides for the face-to-face slide for 9
December.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>BTW – Since we have the nine responses to the last call, it
is of no significance in this case. But, for the future, I think we need
some for</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>mal</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> clarification of the process document. It states<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>If less than 30 percent
of the PWG membership have commented, participated, or communicated that they
have no comments for a given document during Last Call, the Last Call period is
automatically extended until that threshold is met. ”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Whereas the requirements for voting does refer to “eligible
members” , this description of last call does not, suggesting at all
members (27) are considered. Further, I would think that we do not discard ‘fractional
members’ </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>and therefore rou</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>nd up numbers when counting quorums.
But that is just my take. Perhaps it should be made clear and documented.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Ira McDonald
[mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 08, 2010 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> William Wagner; Ira McDonald<br>
<b>Cc:</b> wims@pwg.org; pmp@pwg.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [WIMS] Power Management Last Call<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Bill,<br>
<br>
As of now, we have 9 acknowledgments of the Power MIB <br>
last call.<br>
<br>
BTW, quorum for last call is 30% of 25 voting members = 7.<br>
<br>
Non-voting members do not count for last call quorum.<br>
<br>
I'll be updating the specs with changes per last call comments.<br>
I'll try to have these updates before this Thursday, but there is<br>
no urgency, since Formal Vote will be held in January.<br>
<br>
We will review the final changes made from last call at the<br>
December F2F, but we will not make *any* further changes, <br>
unless a compelling technical issue is raised.<br>
<br>
Possible IETF EMAN work may or may not be of interest<br>
in future years.<br>
<br>
The DMTF CIM and ACPI power management standards<br>
are already deployed and are the basis of the PWG Power<br>
Model.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
- Ira (Editor of Power Model/Power MIB)<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 8:41 PM, William Wagner <<a
href="mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net">wamwagner@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'>By my count, we have seven responses to the last
call, and we need nine. Do we have two more representatives who are willing to
report that they have reviewed the documents? Since IDS will not have a meeting
at the 1PM EST Thursday time slot this week, let’s try to get two more
Last Call acknowledgements so that we can have a concal to handle last call
comment resolution.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'>On a related issue, they IETF EMON (energy management)
working group does have a charter <a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/eman/charter/" target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/eman/charter/</a>.
It is interesting that the charter indicates that “The<br>
framework will focus on energy management for IP-based network equipment
(routers, switches, PCs, IP cameras, phones and the like).”
Apparently, the IETF does not appear to regard printers and MFDs as
worthy of consideration…or perhaps they realize that the usage
considerations of these devices are too complex for them to address?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'>Also of interest : “The monitoring of power
states includes: retrieving power states, properties of power states, current
power state, power state transitions, and power state statistics. The managed
objects will provide means for reporting detailed properties of the actual
energy rate (power) and of accumulated energy. Further, it will provide
information on electrical power quality.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'>That is pretty much what the current PWG Power
Management model addresses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>The schedule is very (and unrealistically) aggressive, with a Power and Energy Monitoring MIB to be submitted for publication as Standard Track RFC by September 2011. Indeed, there already is an Energy-aware Networks and Devices MIB Internet Draft (<a
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-parello-eman-energy-aware-mib"
target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-parello-eman-energy-aware-mib</a> ), which I fully expect will have major revisions if and when it is approved.</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'>I think we need to acknowledge this in the MPSA writeup, including how an Imaging Device specific power management structure (including monitoring and control), not limited to a MIB, has distinct advantages (or not) over a Cisco Systems type power MIB. </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'>Bill Wagner - WIMS/PMP Chair</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
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