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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>MFD WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry about these questions so close to the holidays, but I
would like to solidify the meeting comments before they are lost to our
celebrations. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:39.4pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>With respect to item 1 below, I suggest
that a path from Print, FaxOut, EmailOut to an external repository is valid
only if it is a normal part of the service that a client can extract the
document from that repository. Using an external repository for JobSave,
if that digital document is not normally accessible to the outside world, is an
internal implementation aspect and should not be considered in the model any
more than a Copy Service Digital Document should be. That being agreed, my
question is then whether it is a customary or desired feature of any Print, FaxOut,
or EmailOut Service to allow alternate access to a Digital Document. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:39.4pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I am confused by several comments in the
minutes relative to operations, and admit that I was working with the document
at the time they were discussed so did not digest the discussion at the time.
The comments start on line 84 of the minutes and deal with Table 49 and the
following text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpLast style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:75.4pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>a.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Add “comma” between all
parameters. <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
10.0pt;margin-left:39.4pt;line-height:115%'>(no problem)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;
margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:75.4pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>b.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Get<service>XXXElements: Pete
proposed the semantics of these operations to be taking the requested element
name (the keyword of the top-level elements) as input, and returns one selected
top level element group elements (e.g. capabilities, default ticket, …
etc., of a service) . One exception is that the MediaCol element is quite large
and thus the elements of this group are not returned for Capabilities group. A
single element can only be returned by adding an extension operation. Pete will
align the current Print Service with this semantics.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
10.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:115%'>Does this mean:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:1.0in;line-height:115%;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Symbol'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>The
parameters supplied with the Get<service>DocumentElements, Get<service>JobElements
and Get<service>ServiceElements</span> <span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:115%'>operations must include “Top-Level” elements?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:1.0in;line-height:115%;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Symbol'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>What
are the “Top-Level” elements? The original writeup identified
DocumentReceipt, DocumentStatus or, DocumentTicket; JobReceipt, JobStatus, or
JobTicket; and ServiceCapabilities, ServiceConfiguration,
ServiceDescription, ServiceStatus or DefaultJobTicket.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:1.0in;line-height:115%;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Symbol'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>Can
only one “Top-Level” element be included in one request? This
is implied in the original writeup but not clearly stated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpLast style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:1.0in;line-height:115%;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Symbol'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>The
“exception” for MediaCol is disturbing. Are we to simply say that
all complex elements and constituting elements except MediaCol and its constituent
elements are reported?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
10.0pt;margin-left:84.4pt;line-height:115%'><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:111.4pt;text-indent:-111.4pt;mso-text-indent-alt:
-9.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span>i.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>All Services must align with this
semantics. This is the same used in WS-Print.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:111.4pt;text-indent:-111.4pt;mso-text-indent-alt:
-9.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span>ii.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Bill will add these statements in
the Conformance section.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpLast style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:75.4pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Symbol'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>The
paragraph defining the operation will reflect the semantics, once we clarify
what the semantics is. I do not understand “ii”. The Conformance
section, as revised, requires that the Service Specifications use the definitions
in the Overall document. The Overall document does not specify the conformance requirements
of any Service.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
10.0pt;margin-left:39.4pt;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:115%'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:75.4pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>c.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Set element – should be able
to set a specific element<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:111.4pt;text-indent:-111.4pt;mso-text-indent-alt:
-9.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span>i.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Set uses sparsely populated tree
(only contains element values to be set). IPP specifies that “this must
be an atomic” operation. <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:111.4pt;text-indent:-111.4pt;mso-text-indent-alt:
-9.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><i><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span>ii.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Get element: The client can obtain
a specific group of elements. (not IPP semantic, a WS-scan semantic).<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:111.4pt;text-indent:-111.4pt;mso-text-indent-alt:
-9.0pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l4 level3 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span>iii.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:
115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Bill will resolve offline with
Ira’s comments.</span></i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraphCxSpLast style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:
0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:75.4pt;line-height:115%;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Symbol'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>It
is unclear to me what I need resolve with Ira’s comments. I am concerned
however about the semantics of all of the operations , particularly the
response. I would assume that the response to a GetElements would include an
identification of each simple element falling somewhere under the “Top
Element” and its value. Would complex element names be returned? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormalCxSpFirst style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>Happy Holidays!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormalCxSpLast style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:39.4pt;text-indent:0in;mso-list:
none'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> William Wagner
[mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'mfd@pwg.org'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [MFD] Dec. 8-9 Face-to-Face Meeting Minutes is now
available<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nancy and MFD WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Many thanks for your extensive minutes. However, I wonder about
a few of the Items.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D'>With respect to the comment relative to
Figure 2 of the Overall MFD spec, line 47 in the minutes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;
margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:1.0in;line-height:115%;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>o<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>There should be no data flow arrow from print
to Repository – the second digital-doc is for job save operation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
10.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It was my understanding
that that path was to be retained and was indeed associated with job save.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
10.0pt;margin-left:.5in;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Of course, the diagram
(perhaps more for clarity) shows a two repositories: one that a
client inputs to and that provides documents to Services; the other that
Services input to and that make document accessible to clients. One could argue
that Services (other than Transform) that receive digital documents and
potentially store them for some later action, but not for local client
re-access in a digital form should show the data flow arrow back to the
“input” respository. In that case, I suggest that Print, FaxOut and
EmailOut should shown the document storage path back to the “Input”
repository. Also, although I am a bit shaky on the EmailIn/Out Services,
I suspect that EmailOut should, like Print and FaxOut, have a potential input
from an input repository. Comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:115%'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>Line
51 in the minutes: </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%'>There
is no document ticket, only job ticket containing document processing
instructions</span>. <span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>I had
noted not to indicate that a job may contain a one or more Document Tickets.
But if a Job cannot contain any Document Tickets, I wonder where document
tickets get associated with the documents in a job?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:115%'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>The
resolution of StorageMakeAndModel reference is not noted. I recall a reference
to the HR MIB and the Printer MIB, but I can find this object in neither.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:115%'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%'>Also,
as noted in the minutes, there are items that Pete and Ira have yet to supply.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%'><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bill
Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
10.0pt;margin-left:.25in;line-height:115%'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> mfd-bounces@pwg.org
[mailto:mfd-bounces@pwg.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nancy.Chen@okidata.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> mfd@pwg.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [MFD] Dec. 8-9 Face-to-Face Meeting Minutes is now available<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>All,</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The minutes is
now available at the following links:</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/pwg-ftf-mfd-minutes-20091208-09.pdf</span>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>and</span> <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/pwg-ftf-mfd-minutes-20091208-09.doc</span>
<br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks for all
the participants!</span> <br>
<br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-Nancy</span> <br>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><br>
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Principal Engineer<br>
Solutions and Technology<br>
Oki Data<br>
2000 Bishops Gate Blvd.<br>
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Phone: (856)222-7006<br>
Email: Nancy.Chen@okidata.com</span><br>
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