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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I am sure others may differ but I see
no reason to address production printing concepts to any great extent in
the MFD model. Just as, for example, I would never recommend bringing FAX
into the production print world. </font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Regards,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Harry<br>
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Harry Lewis</b></font><font size=1 color=#808080 face="Arial"><br>
Program Manager - Intellectual Property & Open Standards<br>
Phone: 720-663-3456<br>
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<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">05/18/2009 04:11 PM</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">RE: [MFD] RE: Print (mark) content Region
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<br><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Harry,</font>
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<br><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Yes, it is not particularly
clear without a production printing background. On one hand, I wonder whether
it really belongs in the Overall MFD document, especially since it would
seem that this is a production printing type concept that will not apply
in your typical MFD. On the other hand, these elements are in the MFD schema,
which is not very long on explanations; and I am considering (perhaps incorrectly)
the Overall MFD document a guide to the schema as well as an umbrella for
aspects common to the individual Service specifications.</font>
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<br><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri">I am working on this as much
(probably more) to clarify certain issues in my mind as to establish an
overall design philosophy (which I am not the person to define). I would
certainly be open to comment on what should be covered and what should
best be left as an exercise.</font>
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<br><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Thanks,</font>
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<br><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri">Bill Wagner</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Harry Lewis [mailto:harry.lewis@infoprint.com]
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Sent:</b> Monday, May 18, 2009 5:30 PM<b><br>
To:</b> William Wagner<b><br>
Cc:</b> mfd@pwg.org<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [MFD] RE: Print (mark) content Region definition</font>
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Bill, that is a huge mouthful. </font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
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Sounds to me like Finished-Page-Image-Cell should have been named Imposed-Page-Image-Cell
(Finished implies trimmed, for example, which could affect where things
appear to have ended up on the sheet w.r.t. various margins). </font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><br>
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I understand why the MFD model wants to describe basic capabilities and
limitations of the device and its services but, are we going too far by
delving into concepts (such as content positioning) which are most frequently
controlled by the PDL?</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> <br>
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Regards,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Harry </font><font size=1 face="Arial"><b><br>
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Harry Lewis</b></font><font size=1 color=#808080 face="Arial"><br>
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Phone: 720-663-3456<br>
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OK, I delved further into the Production Printing Attributes document.
At least to a non Production Printing person, these are arcane attributes
but do correspond to elements that we have in the model. <br>
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At first look I was interpreting “Image” as Content Area. But positioning
the image first must consider the concepts of Finished-Page-Image Cell
and Imposition. Since the Finished-Page-Image Cell is defined
as the region on the surface of a sheet where the Finished-Page Image is
placed, maybe this is the Content Region? Reading further, “When
imposition is not applied, the Finished-Page-Image Cell coincides with
the entire surface of one side of the sheet. When imposition is applied,
a) the sheet is partitioned into multiple non-overlapping Finished-Page-Image
Cells, typically in a rectangular grid, and b) the area near the edges
of the sheet may not belong to any Finished-Page-Image Cell.” So the Finished-Page-Image
Cell in one case is the entire sheet surface (and does not consider engine
margins) and in the other case is a grid used for addressing the placement
of the image. <br>
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So “Image” (or Finished-Page Image) is what is positioned and may
correspond to Content Region. Except the “image” attributes appear to
only position the image, with the coordinate system for the Image Shifting
attributes being relative to the Finished-Page-Image Cell. That is,
the dimensions of the image are determined by the PDL (and, realistically,
limited by the margins). <br>
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Even the positioning (or “shifting”) of the image is not a simple question
of x and y offset.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=3 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
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“… the Printer first positions the Finished-Page Image [I assume relative
to the origin of an identified Finished-Page-Image Cell ] using the values
it obtains for the “x-image-position” and “y-image-position” attributes.
Then it shifts the Finished-Page Image by the amount it obtains for the
“x-image-shift” and “y-image-shift” attributes. Finally, for a Finished-Page
Image that would be placed on the front side of a sheet in the Finished
Document, it shifts the Finished-Page Image by the amount it obtains for
the “x-side1-image-shift” and “y-side1-image-shift”. For a Finished-Page
Image that would be placed on the back side of a sheet in the Finished
Document, it shifts the Finished-Page Image by the amount it obtains for
the “x-side2-image-shift” and “y-side2-image-shift” attributes”</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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Bottom line, for the MFD overall, the questions are:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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1. Margins are defined relative to the media edges, and the
content region cannot extend into the margin areas (if the content that
would occur in those areas is to be printed.) However, Margins are
device (or subunit) elements, not Service elements . Therefore, should
these be discussed under Scan and Marker Subunit Media Content Coordinates?</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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2. Do we want to define the coordinate system for Services
using “Mark” or “Print”? The elements:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#004080 face="Arial"><br>
a. ImpositionTemplate</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#004080 face="Arial"><br>
b. XImagePosition</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#004080 face="Arial"><br>
c. XImageShift</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#004080 face="Arial"><br>
d. XSide1ImageShift</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#004080 face="Arial"><br>
e. XSide2ImageShift</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#004080 face="Arial"><br>
f. YImagePosition</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#004080 face="Arial"><br>
g. YImageShift</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=1 color=#004080 face="Arial"><br>
h. YSide1ImageShift</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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are included in the model, and perhaps we need to define them and the coordinate
system which they utilize. Certainly we need to distinguish the marking
o</font><font size=4 face="Calibri">rigin as the NW corner of the Media.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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3. The MFD model has “Scan Region” and “Copy Region”
elements, but no Content Region. Are we going to change that? The elements
above are defined at the same level as Scan Region, not as subelements
of a Mark Region element (otherwise known as the Finished-Page Image).
Also, the Mark Region can be shifted, but unlike Scan Regions, its
size appears determined by the PDL, not the Job Ticket. <br>
4. Is the Copy (Service) Region the same as the Scan Region?</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><br>
Just a few questions. <br>
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Thanks,</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><br>
Bill Wagner</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><br>
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</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Tahoma"><b><br>
From:</b> William Wagner [mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net] <b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:02 PM<b><br>
To:</b> mfd@pwg.org<b><br>
Subject:</b> Print (mark) content Region definition</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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The attributes I see in the Production Printing Attributes document that
appear to correspond to content region definition are:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
x-image-position <br>
x-image-shift <br>
y-image-shift <br>
y-image-position </font><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
But I have difficulty correlating these to what one might normally identify
as:</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Content Region Origin X Offset</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Content Region X Dimension</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Content Region Origin Y Offset</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Content Region Y Dimension</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
Could someone with a Production Attributes understanding enlighten me?</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman">
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</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
Thanks.</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
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Bill Wagner</font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=4 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><br>
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