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<div>Mike and Ira have added this to this Thursday's IPP WG call, so please do attend. If you don't have current meeting information, please reach out to Mike or Ira.
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<div>On Jun 17, 2024, at 7:39 AM, Uli Wehner <ulrich.wehner@ricoh-usa.com> wrote:</div>
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External Email</span></b></font><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;"></span>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Here is what the Ricoh printers give you:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">printer-name (nameWithoutLanguage) = IPP Printer<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">printer-dns-sd-name (nameWithoutLanguage) = RICOH IM C320F \[5838799E4CFB]<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">printer-make-and-model (textWithoutLanguage) = RICOH IM C320F PS3<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I am pretty sure we can set it to show the hostname instead of the model, but this is the default.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<b><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Uli Wehner<o:p></o:p></span></b></div>
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<span lang="JA" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "MS Mincho";">ウリ・ヴェーナー</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<ipp-bounces@pwg.org><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) via ipp<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 11, 2024 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Michael Sweet <msweet@msweet.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) <smith.kennedy@hp.com>; PWG IPP WG Reflector <ipp@pwg.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [IPP] What value do IPP Printers provide for "printer-name"?[EXTERNAL]<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On Jun 11, 2024, at 1:08<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span>PM, Michael Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@msweet.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">msweet@msweet.org</a>>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">CAUTION: External Email<br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;">
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Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@msweet.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">msweet@msweet.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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[IPP] What value do IPP Printers provide for "printer-name"?</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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11, 2024 at 1:08:35 PM MDT<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);">To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">PWG
IPP Workgroup <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">ipp@pwg.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);">Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">"Kennedy,
Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards)" <<a href="mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Smith,<br>
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I did a quick check of the printers in my home lab:<br>
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ippfind --exec ipptool -tv '{}' get-printer-attributes.test \; | grep printer-name<br>
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and while the HP printers do indeed put the hostname in there (uppercased) all of the rest seem to put the model name or make and model. CUPS and PAPPL use the local queue name which is usually some variation of make and/or model (but users can change that...)</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">So the attributes involved in a discussion were:<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">printer-make-and-model (RFC 2911 / 8011 - recommended)<o:p></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">The wording of "printer-name" makes it sound like it should be a unique name, not a model name...<o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">On Jun 11, 2024, at 3:03 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) via ipp <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">ipp@pwg.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi there,<br>
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Just doing an informal survey for printer vendors: What value do your printers provide for the "printer-name" attribute (RFC 8011)?<br>
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HP provides the hostname.<br>
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Do client vendors expect this to be the hostname, or do they have no expectations?<br>
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Thanks for any replies,<br>
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Smith<br>
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