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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Here is what the Ricoh printers give you:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">printer-name (nameWithoutLanguage) = IPP Printer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">printer-dns-sd-name (nameWithoutLanguage) = RICOH IM C320F \[5838799E4CFB]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I am pretty sure we can set it to show the hostname instead of the model, but this is the default.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.75pt;text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Uli Wehner<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) via ipp<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 11, 2024 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Sweet <msweet@msweet.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) <smith.kennedy@hp.com>; PWG IPP WG Reflector <ipp@pwg.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] What value do IPP Printers provide for "printer-name"?[EXTERNAL]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 11, 2024, at 1:08<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM, Michael Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@msweet.org">msweet@msweet.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Michael Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@msweet.org">msweet@msweet.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Re: [IPP] What value
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">June 11, 2024 at 1:08:35 PM
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">PWG IPP Workgroup <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">"Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP
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Smith,<br>
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I did a quick check of the printers in my home lab:<br>
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ippfind --exec ipptool -tv '{}' get-printer-attributes.test \; | grep printer-name<br>
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and while the HP printers do indeed put the hostname in there (uppercased) all of the rest seem to put the model name or make and model. CUPS and PAPPL use the local queue name which is usually some variation of make and/or model (but users can change that...)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So the attributes involved in a discussion were:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">printer-name (RFC 2911 / 8011 - required)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The wording of "printer-name" makes it sound like it should be a unique name, not a model name...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">On Jun 11, 2024, at 3:03 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & IPP Standards) via ipp <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hi there,<br>
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Just doing an informal survey for printer vendors: What value do your printers provide for the "printer-name" attribute (RFC 8011)?<br>
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HP provides the hostname.<br>
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Do client vendors expect this to be the hostname, or do they have no expectations?<br>
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Thanks for any replies,<br>
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Smith<br>
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