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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I agree. By producing open specifications that allow any supplier to provide improved and new products and services to the end user, the end user is the ultimate beneficiary. The industry can benefit to the extent that it can provide a better product. </p><p class=MsoNormal>Bill Wagner</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">Mike Sweet via ipp</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, December 4, 2020 3:51 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">Ira McDonald</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [IPP] RFC 8890 The Internet is for End Users</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Ira,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>After reading through this, I’d say we have already adopted a user-centric view - we engage with our user community through trade shows and other organizations (e.g., OpenPrinting) that represent the users of our standards work, and our most recent privacy and accounting documents clearly put the privacy and explicit consent of end users front and center. And clearly we have several client implementations that do not need vendor specific software (as opposed to other IoT protocols/technologies)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Certainly there are improvements we can make, but I think we already are pointed in the “right” direction...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Dec 4, 2020, at 11:37 AM, Ira McDonald via ipp <ipp@pwg.org> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>From the IAB (Internet Architecture Board) in August 2020:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8890">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8890</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://icannwiki.org/Internet_Architecture_Board">https://icannwiki.org/Internet_Architecture_Board</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just referenced in a fascinating thread on the TLS mailing list. An interesting<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and provocative position.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If the IAB believes End User concerns and requirements should trump other<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>considerations in IETF standards, perhaps the PWG should also consider this<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>perspective in developing PWG standards for networked Imaging Systems?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- Ira<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Chair - SAE Trust Anchors and Authentication TF</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Co-Chair - TCG Metadata Access Protocol SG</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank"><span style='color:#3333FF'>http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</span></a><br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank"><span style='color:#6600CC'>http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span></a><br>mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>(permanent) PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:.5in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>_______________________________________________<br>ipp mailing list<br>ipp@pwg.org<br>https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>