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<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Smith,</div><div><br></div><div>No need for System Service updates.</div><div><br></div><div>As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 Production Printing) already <br></div><div>covers this feature.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>- Ira</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style="color:rgb(102,0,204)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<br><br><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <<a href="mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently.</div>
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<div>On Dec 11, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the Printer</div>
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IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>
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mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>
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<div>If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document
and using "overrides" to specify the media source / type for the added banner pages.<br>
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<div>On Dec 10, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Michael Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com" target="_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the job.</span>
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There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this attribute is not supported by CUPS.</div>
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<div>I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files
with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice.</div>
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<div>Is there an IPP-defined job attribute that lets me order job-sheets to be printed on a specific medium?</div>
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<div>Now that modern CUPS doesn't by default use banners/job-sheets any more which are PostScript files, what is another valid way to do achieve this with PDF files (or even with application/vnd.cups-banner files)?</div>
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