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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Ira,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">5100.3 covers a Client using the Job Sheets feature via "job-sheets-col", which extends "job-sheets" with the ability to specify a "media" or "media-col" with the sheets. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But what the Printer actually renders and prints onto the job sheets themselves isn't covered. The assumption seems to be that the content to be printed on the job sheets is implementation-specific. If I as an operator wanted the job sheet to present my organization's logo, the user's name, date, job name, printing statistics and print quota status, I would presumably need to create this myself using something provided by the printer vendor?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Am I missing something?</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 11, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" class="">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi Smith,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">No need for System Service updates.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As Mike observed earlier in this thread, job-sheets-col (PWG 5100.3 Production Printing) already <br class=""></div><div class="">covers this feature.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">- Ira</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br class="">Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br class="">Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br class="">Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br class="">Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br class="">IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br class="">Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br class=""><a style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/yWSqCVOrBrc7LzZKtGNwIU?domain=sites.google.com" target="_blank" class="">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br class=""><a style="color:rgb(102,0,204)" href="https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/0nsvCW6vDvh2gN4YuxHqBJ?domain=sites.google.com" target="_blank" class="">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br class="">mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br class="">PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<br class=""><br class=""><div style="display:inline" class=""></div><div style="display:inline" class=""></div><div style="display:inline" class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="">On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 12:15 PM Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <<a href="mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com" class="">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="">Should there be an addition to System Service to support banner page management? Or are we going to consider banner pages a resource managed out-of-band of IPP? System Service doesn't seem to have that currently.</div>
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<div class="">Except that Client-side banner pages can't include info known only to the Printer</div>
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<div class="">If the Printer supported IPP "overrides", it might also be possible for a driver upstream of the IPP client to support this as a "driver feature" by adding a page to the start and/or end of the Job's Document
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isn't anything specifically you can do in CUPS for the banners - it will use the same paper/tray settings for the banners as for the rest of the job.</span>
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There is a job-sheets-col attribute (defined in PWG 5100.3: Production Printing Attributes - Set 1) that provides more control. At present this attribute is not supported by CUPS.</div>
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<div class="">I remember many years ago to have hacked some PostScript files for a big institutional customer who required red separator sheets because thousands of their students shared a few dozen "public" printers: I then equipped the PostScript/banner files
with some 'setpagedevice' statements, saved them to /usr/share/cups/banners/ and, presto, whenever such a sheet was requested it printed from the paper tray specified by setpagedevice.</div>
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