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<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Smith,</div><div><br></div><div>In the interests of sanity, I suggest that you do the "furniture moving" that Mike</div><div>recommended with change tracking OFF and then we proceed forward from</div><div>there.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>- Ira</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style="color:rgb(102,0,204)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094<br>May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<br><br><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:35 AM Michael Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com">msweet@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Smith,<br>
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I really appreciate you tackling this update! Apologies in advance for the length of this editorial feedback (going through the same thing myself with the 5100.5 update):<br>
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- Filename should be wd-ippjobprinterext2v20-yyyymmdd.ext<br>
- Title should be "IPP Job and Printer Extensions - Set 2 v2.0 (JPS2)<br>
- Abstract appears to be truncated and probably needs some editorial love.<br>
- The IPP workgroup boilerplate on page 4 should be removed (not in current template)<br>
- Global: Change all "type3 keyword" to "type2 keyword"<br>
- Global: Change "The 'foo' Something Something attribute" in the attribute descriptions to just "This attribute"<br>
- Section 4 appears to have the "4." in the title twice<br>
- Section 5 (REQUIRED OPERATIONS) should be moved after the attributes and renamed "New Operations" (for consistency with our current spec template)<br>
- Sections 6, 7, 9, and 10 should be brought under a new section 5 "New Attributes"<br>
- Section 5.1 Operation Attributes<br>
- Section 5.2 Job Description Attributes (or Job Status Attributes since job-save-printer-make-and-model appears to be set by the Printer during processing and thus should be READ ONLY)<br>
- Section 5.3 Job Template Attributes<br>
- Section 5.4 Printer Description Attributes<br>
- Section 8 (Additional Semantics) should come after Section 11 (Additional Values)<br>
- Add new Section 8.1: Get-Jobs: which-jobs to talk about new which-jobs values<br>
- Section 8.1: make section 8.2 Hold-Job: job-hold-until-time<br>
- Section 8.2: make section 8.3 Set-Job-Attributes: job-delay-output-until, job-delay-output-until-time, job-hold-until-time<br>
- Section 10.11 should be made a subsection of job-delay-output-until-time<br>
- Section 10.13 should be made a subsection of job-hold-until-time<br>
- Section 10.35 should be made a subsection of save-info<br>
- Section 10.40 should be made a subsection of save-name<br>
- Section 11: New Values for Existing Attributes (drop semantics here)<br>
- Section 11.1: Drop "Printer Description attribute" from title<br>
- Section 11.2: Just "which-jobs (type2 keyword)" - which-jobs-supported inherits everything from which-jobs<br>
- Section 11.3: Drop "Job Description attribute" from title<br>
- Section 11.3.x: Move to corresponding Job Template attribute definitions<br>
- Section 11.4: Delete (part of MSN2)<br>
- Section 11.5: Move to section 5.3 Job Template attributes under a new "media-col (collection) Extension" section.<br>
- Section 12: Just "IANA Considerations", we don't need the Semantic Model registration stuff anymore<br>
- Section 12: Should come after section 14 (Security Considerations)<br>
- Section 12.1: Attribute Registrations<br>
- Bring back the "Conformance Requirements" section (missing!) - it should go before the Internationalization Considerations section<br>
- Section 13: Drop UTR20 (not needed for IPP and no longer being maintained by the Unicode Consortium...) and make sure you don't lose the advisory text from the current WD template - UTR17, UTR23, and UTR33 are informational (non-normative) so the SHOULD is not appropriate.<br>
- Section 14: Use the standard boilerplate text for now. We'll probably want to add more once we settle on the final content.<br>
- Add an "Overview of Changes" section before the Change History section with an "IPP Job and Printer Extensions - Set 2 v2.0" subsection to provide a high-level list the changes in the v2.0 update.<br>
- Add a "Deprecated Attributes" section after the "New Values for Existing Attributes" section (empty for now)<br>
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Once we get closer to prototype I'll work with you on the registration templates - they'll need a significant amount of work... :/<br>
<br>
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> On Aug 28, 2018, at 8:06 AM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architect) <<a href="mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com" target="_blank">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Greetings,<br>
> <br>
> I have posted a new "Initial Draft" of IPP Job and Printer Extensions Set 2 v2 (JPS2v2). This was created using the published final PDF draft to ensure a start from the wording that was finalized. I have made a number of editorial changes that are all preserved in the -rev version in case there are objections. The primary set of changes involved moving all the Printer Description attributes out of sub-sections of the "Job Template" section to the "Printer Description Attributes" section.<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext20-20180828.docx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext20-20180828.docx</a><br>
> <a href="https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext20-20180828.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext20-20180828.pdf</a><br>
> <a href="https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext20-20180828-rev.docx" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext20-20180828-rev.docx</a><br>
> <a href="https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext20-20180828-rev.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext20-20180828-rev.pdf</a><br>
> <br>
> I propose using this as our starting point, but please chime in if you don't like how this was produced. I will separately post slides to facilitate discussion about the changes HP would like to see in JPS2v2.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Smith<br>
> <br>
> /**<br>
> Smith Kennedy<br>
> Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS<br>
> Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF<br>
> Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
> HP Inc.<br>
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