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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Paul,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, absolutely it ignores it, just as it will ignore any other attribute it doesn't care about.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">An IPP Everywhere client looks at the document-format-supported, media-xxx, and pwg-raster-document-xxx attributes to know what to send, *not* printer-device-id.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 17, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Paul Tykodi <<a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" class="">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Ira,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we remove the 1284 device ID requirements from IPP Everywhere 1.1 and subsequently an IPP Everywhere 1.1 conforming client queries an IPP Everywhere 1.0 conforming device, which returns a 1284 device ID, should the client just ignore the 1284 device ID response?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">/Paul<br class=""><br class=""><div class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=""><br class="">On Apr 17, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" class="">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hi Paul,<br class=""><br class=""></div>As Mike pointed out, using IEEE 1284 Device ID to do PDL-stream tweaks in IPP Everywhere was<br class=""></div>never a legitimate implementation. Vendors who honored IEEE 1284 Device ID info over the much<br class=""></div>more authoritative IPP Printer status attributes have broken implementations anyway.<br class=""><br class=""></div>I agree with Mike - delete all mention of IEEE 1284 Device ID from IPP Everywhere (with which it<br class=""></div>is incompatible).<br class=""><br class=""></div>Cheers,<br class=""></div>- Ira<br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br class="">Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br class="">Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br class="">Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br class="">Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br class="">IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br class="">Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br class=""><a style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank" class="">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br class=""><a style="color:rgb(102,0,204)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank" class="">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br class="">mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br class="">Jan-April: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094<br class="">May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<br class=""><br class=""><div style="display:inline" class=""></div><div style="display:inline" class=""></div><div style="display:inline" class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:17 AM, Paul Tykodi <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" target="_blank" class="">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Ira,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My thought is that some vendor developed IPP Everywhere implementations may tweak PDF or JPEG processing on the client (i.e. sender) side for certain 1284 device ID’s.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we make retiring them a two step process, we probably would give any developers that have done this time to adjust their code.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am Ok with removing them from IPP Everywhere but am just asking about best way to implement change so that developers have time to react.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">/Paul<br class=""><br class=""><div id="m_3416474829410571254AppleMailSignature" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><br class="">On Apr 17, 2018, at 6:35 AM, Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Hi,<br class=""><br class=""></div>Paul - you can't submit a 1284 Device ID as a command in IPP - it's a declarative<br class=""></div>property only.<br class=""><br class=""></div>Mike and Smith - certainly we should drop 1284 Device ID from IPP Everywhere,<br class=""></div>which is about driverless printing.<br class=""><br class=""></div>Cheers,<br class=""></div>- Ira<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="m_3416474829410571254gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br class="">Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br class="">Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br class="">Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br class="">Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br class="">IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br class="">Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br class=""><a style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank" class="">http://sites.google.com/site/<wbr class="">blueroofmusic</a><br class=""><a style="color:rgb(102,0,204)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank" class="">http://sites.google.com/site/<wbr class="">highnorthinc</a><br class="">mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br class="">Jan-April: <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place+Saline,+MI+48176+734&entry=gmail&source=g" class="">579 Park Place</a> <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place+Saline,+MI+48176+734&entry=gmail&source=g" class="">Saline, MI</a> <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place+Saline,+MI+48176+734&entry=gmail&source=g" class="">48176</a> <a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place+Saline,+MI+48176+734&entry=gmail&source=g" class="">734</a>-944-0094<br class="">May-Dec: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<br class=""><br class=""><div style="display:inline" class=""></div><div style="display:inline" class=""></div><div style="display:inline" class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:14 AM, Paul Tykodi <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" target="_blank" class="">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US" class=""><div class="m_3416474829410571254m_-6503420201089291166WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class="">Hi Mike,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class="">Where I believe some vendors use them to send pre and post job processing device specific commands, I don’t believe we should fully retire support for the 1284 device ID’s at this time.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class="">Are you planning to make them an OPTIONAL requirement?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class="">Thanks.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class="">Best Regards,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#203864" class="">/Paul<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">--</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Paul Tykodi<br class="">Principal Consultant<br class="">TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC<br class=""><br class="">Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820<br class="">Mobile: 603-866-0712<br class="">E-mail: <a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com" target="_blank" class="">ptykodi@tykodi.com</a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d" class=""><br class=""></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">WWW: </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1f497d" class=""><a href="http://www.tykodi.com/" target="_blank" class=""><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">http://www.tykodi.com</span></a></span><span style="color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546a" class="">This e-mail reply and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546a" class="">If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Tykodi Consulting Services LLC <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546a" class="">immediately by replying to this message and destroying all copies of this message <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546a" class="">and any attachments. Thank you</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b> ipp <<a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank" class="">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>> <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Kennedy, Smith (Wireless & Standards Architec)<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Monday, April 16, 2018 10:38 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> Michael Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com" target="_blank" class="">msweet@apple.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b> PWG IPP WG Reflector <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target="_blank" class="">ipp@pwg.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] RFC: Drop 1284 device ID requirements from IPP Everywhere 1.1<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div><div class=""><div class="m_3416474829410571254h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I approve and second this!<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="" class="">Smith<br class=""><br class="">/**<br class=""> Smith Kennedy<br class=""> Wireless & Standards Architect - IPG-PPS<br class=""> Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum / USB-IF<br class=""> Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group<br class=""> HP Inc.<br class="">*/<br class=""><br class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""><br class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 16, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Michael Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com" target="_blank" class="">msweet@apple.com</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">All,<br class=""><br class="">As 1284 device IDs are only needed for printer driver selection, I'd like remove all of the 1284 device ID requirements from IPP Everywhere 1.1.<br class=""><br class="">Thoughts?<br class=""><br class="">______________________________<wbr class="">___________________________<br class="">Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer<br class=""><br class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">ipp mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target="_blank" class="">ipp@pwg.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp" target="_blank" class="">https://www.pwg.org/mailman/li<wbr class="">stinfo/ipp</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div></div></div></div></div><br class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">
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