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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Yes - 10 seconds is sufficient to report ‘media-needed’ when out of paper in a job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rodriguez, Eren<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools Experience<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eren,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 10, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Rodriguez, Eren <<a href="mailto:eren.rodriguez@hp.com">eren.rodriguez@hp.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
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While media presence does not seem to be required by IPP Everywhere, ipp-tests.test cases I-26 and I-28 assume otherwise.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Section 3.2.3.9 ("Printer Fault") explicitly mentions "out of paper" faults, and RFC 2911 (and 5100.14) require support for the "printer-state-reasons" attribute.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That said, the intent is that IPP Everywhere printers be able to report "out of paper" primarily while a job is being printed (where it matters most). So I think the solution here is to drop the 'media-empty' test and add a delay before
the 'media-needed' test.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is 10 seconds sufficient delay after the Print-Job request?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had posted about I-26 back in January. You can see the attached e-mail for more details. It is about giving printers more time to pull and realize an out of paper situation.<br>
I-28 pauses to let testers remove paper out of a tray. Upon acknowledgement, it sends a Get-Printer-Attributes expecting 'media-empty*' in "printer-state-reasons". Only printers with presence sensors can accomplish this.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Eren Rodriguez @ HP Inc.<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Michael Sweet<br>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 10:08 AM<br>
To: ipp; IPP Everywhere Self-Certification discussion list<br>
Subject: [IPP] Updated beta IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools posted<br>
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All,<br>
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I have posted updated IPP Everywhere Printer Self-Certification Tools based on the latest stable draft of the self-certification manual. Download links are below and on the IPP and IPP Everywhere web pages:<br>
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<a href="http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html">http://www.pwg.org/ipp/everywhere.html</a><br>
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<a href="http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-osx.dmg">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-osx.dmg</a><br>
<a href="http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-rhel.tar.gz">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-rhel.tar.gz</a><br>
<a href="http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-ubuntu.tar.gz">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-ubuntu.tar.gz</a><br>
<a href="http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-windows.msi">http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/sw-ippeveselfcert10-20151009-windows.msi</a><br>
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Please report any problems with this software ASAP so I can address them.<br>
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_________________________________________________________<br>
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<br>
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Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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