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Hi Mike,<br><br>Thanks for looking into this. I agree that we don't need to add either<br>'protective' or 'aqueous' to Finishings 2.0 - we'll just map them to our<br>existing 'archival' coating types.<br><br>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br><br><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a style="color:rgb(51,51,255)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br><a style="color:rgb(102,0,204)" href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094<br>Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<br><br><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div style="display:inline"></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Michael Sweet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com" target="_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ira,<br>
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Thanks, "Protective" clearly maps to the existing 'archival' coating types. "Aqueous" would also seem to map to 'archival' unless we feel that it is important to differentiate between "green" and "non-green" coatings in the job ticket?<br>
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> On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> See good detailed response from Jim Mekis below, as well as Rainer's reply<br>
> already sent to SM3 and IPP mailing lists.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> - Ira<br>
><br>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br>
> <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>
> <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>
> mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>
> Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 <a href="tel:734-944-0094" value="+17349440094">734-944-0094</a><br>
> Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 <a href="tel:906-494-2434" value="+19064942434">906-494-2434</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> From: James Mekis <<a href="mailto:jmekis@mekis.net">jmekis@mekis.net</a>><br>
> Date: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:08 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: Rainer - need definitions of two JDF coating types ASAP<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>, Rainer Prosi <<a href="mailto:Rainer.Prosi@heidelberg.com">Rainer.Prosi@heidelberg.com</a>><br>
><br>
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> Ira & Rainer -<br>
><br>
> I am not a coatings expert, but here is a short coatings description based<br>
> on my experience. (I am presuming that "Finishings 2.0" is focused on<br>
> post-press operations):<br>
><br>
> The coatings listed in JDF's ColorIntent Resource Table can be applied<br>
> either inline or offline. Offline coatings (finishing) are typically<br>
> intended to be protective. They can increase water-resistance,<br>
> scuff-resistance, and even food resistance in the case of restaurant menus.<br>
> They have been used for decades to protect offset printed sheets, and usage<br>
> has increased with the desire to protect digitally printed sheets,<br>
> especially photo images. Like varnish, they come in gloss & dull variants.<br>
><br>
> The most commonly coating types requested by customers today are UV coatings<br>
> (Ultra Violet cured polymers) which provide higher durability, and aqueous<br>
> coatings that are viewed as "greener" and typically more easily recycled at<br>
> end-of-life. Both types of overall coating protect the printed image as well<br>
> as the substrate. They also may be applied over foil embossed surfaces in<br>
> some instances.<br>
><br>
> Customers may also specify the performance characteristic they desire in the<br>
> coating rather than specifying a coating type. Common examples are<br>
> water-resistance, and rub-resistance. Both characteristics may be required<br>
> at the same time. An example is in the wine industry, where the white wine<br>
> label has to survive transport rubbing, followed by water and rubbing ice<br>
> cubes in a bucket upon serving.<br>
><br>
> Does this help?<br>
><br>
> - Jim<br>
><br>
><br>
> == ==<br>
> Rainer Prosi wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Hi Jim<br>
> > I believe that the definitions were drafted during the printtalk discussions.<br>
> > Could you please help Ira out.<br>
> > Thanks<br>
> > Rainer<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > -------- Original message --------<br>
> > From: Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > Date: 20/10/2014 23:48 (GMT+01:00)<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>,"Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list"<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:sm3@pwg.org">sm3@pwg.org</a>>,"Prosi, Rainer PT-RD3" <<a href="mailto:Rainer.Prosi@heidelberg.com">Rainer.Prosi@heidelberg.com</a>>,Rick<br>
> > Yardumian <<a href="mailto:RYardumian@ciis.canon.com">RYardumian@ciis.canon.com</a>>,Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > Subject: Rainer - need definitions of two JDF coating types ASAP<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > In our review of PWG Last Call comments today on Finishings 2.0,<br>
> > I got the following action item that I'm passing on to you Rainer:<br>
> ><br>
> > "Action: Ira to ask Rick and Rainer about JDF coating types: "Aqueous"<br>
> > and "Protective"<br>
> ><br>
> > They are not defined in JDF (as far as Mike Sweet could find) and we<br>
> > can't add a keyword to a PWG spec without a clear definition.<br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers,<br>
> > - Ira<br>
> ><br>
> > PS - A reply by the next JDFMAP call next Monday 27 October would<br>
> > be much appreciated - thanks.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>
> > Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>
> > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
> > Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>
> > Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>
> > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>
> > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br>
> > <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>
> > <a href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</a><br>
> > mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 <a href="tel:734-944-0094" value="+17349440094">734-944-0094</a><br>
> > Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 <a href="tel:906-494-2434" value="+19064942434">906-494-2434</a><br>
> ><br>
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Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<br>
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