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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Pete,<div><br></div><div>Which operation attributes do you want to include?</div><div><br></div><div>attributes-charset</div><div>attributes-natural-language</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>These can be taken from the Job already.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>compression or compression-accepted</div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div><br></div><div>Certainly a possibility, although the Client probably doesn't know the destination's capabilities so we might want to use "compression-accepted" attribute to list what is acceptable to the Client. Using "compression-accepted" would also address security considerations for compression (BEAST and other attacks) that we've never talked about in the PWG - the Client is the only entity with the context to know whether it is safe to compress the output from a security perspective...</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>document-charset</div><div>document-metadata</div><div>document-name</div><div>document-natural-language</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>These can be taken from the Job or generated by the Scan service.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>document-digital-signature</div><div>document-format</div><div>document-format-details</div><div>job-impressions</div><div>job-impressions-estimated</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>These are generated/set by the Scan service.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>document-password</div><div>job-password</div><div>job-password-encryption</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>These are explicitly *not* part of the Job Ticket for security reasons, and thus we cannot include them in the "destination-attributes" collection. And while it is possible we could introduce a parallel operation attribute ("destination-operation-attributes (1setOf collection)"?) that seems a bit too hackish.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>ipp-attribute-fidelity</div><div>job-mandatory-attributes</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>These could be take from the Job, but I can see how you might want to apply fidelity to a specific destination.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>job-authorization-uri</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>Implementation-defined behavior until we have a standard for passing credentials through (to be used with Validate-Job to get the job-authorization-uri value...)</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>original-requesting-user-name</div><div>requesting-user-name</div><div>requesting-user-uri</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>These can be taken from the Job; supporting it per-destination seems like we are trying to address identity-passing without authentication...</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>....</div><div><br></div><div>Also, if we do a "destination-attributes (collection)" Job Template and member attribute then we'll need a "destination-attributes-supported" Printer Description attribute. I don't see a need for a -default version, as there is no -default for the destination, but we'll need to make it clear whether any "destination-attributes" attribute in the "destination-uri-ready" value is used as the default for that destination URI.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Apr 9, 2014, at 6:49 AM, Zehler, Peter <<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I really want to put the Job Template Attributes in a collection. I will change the name and drop “-collection”. The contents of the collection is not strictly limited to IPP Job Template Attributes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">M/S 128-25E</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style="color:#1F497D">
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 08, 2014 3:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:IPP@pwg.org">IPP@pwg.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] Are these attributes what were agreed to for IPP Scan?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Pete,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">My only beef with the proposed additions are the "destination-attribute-collection" attributes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">We should just include Job Template attributes directly in the destination-uris and destination-uri-ready collections. Thus, it would just be:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> destination-uris<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> destination-uri<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> [number-or-retries]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> [retry-interval]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> [retry-time-out]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> [any Job Template attribute]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> destination-uri-ready<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> destination-uri<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> [destination-info]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> [destination-is-directory]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> [destination-name]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"> [any Job Template attribute]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">This would be consistent with how other attributes (job-sheets-col, covers, etc.) deal with embedding Job Template attributes in collection attributes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">If you really want to put the Job Template attributes in their own collection, call it "destination-attributes"; we never use "collection" spelled out in the name, and generally only add -col if there is already a non-collection form of
the attribute (e.g. media and media-col, finishings and finishings-col, etc.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 8, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Zehler, Peter <<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Before I put out the Stable version of the IPP Scan specification I wanted to check with you regarding the addition of the attributes below. Let me know if it does not capture what we agreed to at the IPP teleconference. I plan to publish
it on Thursday.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Pete<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br>
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<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Office: +1 (585) 265-8755</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Mobile: +1 (585) 329-9508</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Xerox Corp.</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">M/S 128-25E</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style="color:#1F497D">
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Added the following new member element to the Job Template Attribute “destination-uris”<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsLevel4Header" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo4">
<a name="_Ref384449727"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">8.2.1.1<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->destination-attribute-collection (1setOf collection)</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph">This OPTIONAL attribute allows the client to specify attributes to be applied to the method implied by the “destination”. For example if the destination uri scheme is “<a href="ipp://xn--ivg">ipp://”</a> this attribute would contain
Operation and Job Template Attributes to be used in the creation of the IPP Print Job.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph">Added the following new IPP Scan Service Description Attribute<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsLevel3Header" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level3 lfo6">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">8.4.2<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->destination-uri-ready (1setOf collection)<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph">The OPTIONAL “destination-uri-ready” IPP Scan Service attribute lists the configured destinations. This does not limit the destinations that a user may specify. It is a list of administratively set destinations to assist the user
in selecting an appropriate destination. IPP Scan Services that support Push Scan MAY support this attribute.
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<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">8.4.2.1<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->destination-info (text(MAX))<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph">The OPTIONAL “destination-info” member attribute provides a human readable description of the destination.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsLevel4Header" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level4 lfo6">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">8.4.2.2<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->destination-is-directory (boolean)<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph"> The OPTIONAL “destination-is-directory” member attribute indicates if the destination is a folder that can contain multiple files. The default value if this attribute is not included is ‘false’.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsLevel4Header" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level4 lfo6">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">8.4.2.3<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->destination-name (name(MAX))<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph">The OPTIONAL “destination-name” member attribute provides a human readable user friendly name for the destination.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsLevel4Header" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level4 lfo6">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">8.4.2.4<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->destination-uri (uri)<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph">The REQUIRED “destination-uri” member attribute specifies the destination.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsLevel4Header" style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.5in;mso-list:l1 level4 lfo6">
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</span></span><!--[endif]-->destination-attribute-collection (1setOf collection)<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph">This OPTIONAL “destination-attribute-collection” member attribute allows the administrator to specify attributes to be applied to the “destination-attribute-collection” Job Template Attribute (See section 8.2.1.1).<o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="IEEEStdsParagraph"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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