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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>For this diagram, I agree with Pete. The System object is tucked away invisible (sort of)<br></div>inside the System Control Service.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br></div>- Ira<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Zehler, Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mike asked “so do you think we could just leave the system object out of the diagram then?”. For this diagram my answer would be yes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:10 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> William A Wagner; <<a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a>>; <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a>>; Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] [Cloud] Simplified Cloud Imaging Diagram for a typical MFD<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">The thing that confused me about the diagram was the dotted line from the Proxy to the Local System Control Service. It is my view that the Local System Control
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<p class="MsoNormal">Absolutely, I just wasn't sure whether the proxy needed to talk to the local System Control Service...<u></u><u></u></p>
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hosted services. It must do so in order to control the other service and to access the other services instrumented data. The other difference between the Local System Control Service and other hosted services is that the Local System Control Service would
have an unfiltered view of the devices subsystems.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Right, however that interface is going to be a lot different than the service-level interfaces shown in the diagram. Perhaps some sort of the containing box <u></u><u></u></p>
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would not be obvious from the diagram. While not included in this discussion the Physical Device could easily be replaced by a Physical Device Proxy and the model hold together.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Right. Again, my focus with this diagram was just to show the typical/common situation. If we can find a way to expand its scope without confusing things too much, all the better.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd like to come up with a different way to show the relationship between the System Control Service and other services. And maybe that applies to the interface between the services and physical device/subunits as well? (not a service-level
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</span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">According to the Semantic Model, there is an extensive client interface to the System Control Service that provides access to both System Control Service elements and
System Object elements (SystemConfiguration, SystemDescription, and SystemStatus). However, the diagram shows no System Object either at the Cloud Level or the Local level (“Imaging System” in the lower right hand corner not withstanding.) The sort of information
that a User might want to know about the physical location of the “device” (however one may wish to define it) is in the System Description. The UUID for the imaging device is the System UUID. I suggest that, as in the previous diagram, there is both a Cloud
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<p class="MsoNormal">Adding the system object to the diagram would probably be useful. I'm not sure how we would show connections *to* this object, or whether we should (for purposes of simplifying the diagram) just update the system control service boxes
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the Local Print Service. Some of the attributes from the System Object are obtained from the Physical Device, other attributes are obtained from the other Local Services, and some are properties specific to the instance of the Local System Control Service.
I do not see any conflict in the other Hosted Services presenting information (e.g., System UUID, physical location) that is “owned” by the Local System Control Service as long as the values are consistent.</PZ></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">OK, so do you think we could just leave the system object out of the diagram then?<u></u><u></u></p>
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