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<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Bill,<div><br></div><div>I humbly disagree. I am a Client trying to use a Print service. I may or may not know how to or be able to talk to a System Control service. All I care is that I can confirm which physical device my output will come out on if I submit a job to that Print service.</div><div><br></div><div>Services of all kinds are able to access a physical device's subunits today, even in the Semantic Model. There is no reason to treat Identify-Printer/Device differently than Create-Job.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:34 AM, William A Wagner <<a href="mailto:wamwagner@comcast.net">wamwagner@comcast.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ira,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I suggest that what is being identified is the physical device, and that the System Control Service is the proper recipient. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [<a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ira McDonald<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 09, 2013 5:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect)<br><b>Cc:</b> <<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] RFC: Identify-Printer mini-extension<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Smith,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Tricky. The "identify action duration" would be a new attribute (which<br>would require a revision of JPS3 spec - yuck).<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Mike's right that IPPSIX is the wrong place to do this - the conformance<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">shouldn't have anything to do with IPPSIX.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I also don't think that System Control Service should get into this business<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">- or maybe I'm crazy and that actually is the *right* place? Should SCS,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">rather than an individual service, be the target of this device-level operation?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Someday, we need a lightweight IPP registration for whole new attributes<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(in an existing attribute group), I suspect.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">- Ira<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North Inc<br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank"><span style="color:#3333FF">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</span></a><br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc" target="_blank"><span style="color:#6600CC">http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc</span></a><br>mailto: <a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094<br>Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <<a href="mailto:smith.kennedy@hp.com" target="_blank">smith.kennedy@hp.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">IMHO, these look fine. I wonder if the “identify action duration” needs to be covered by something? Does the System Control Service need to concern itself with this domain?<br><span style="color:#888888"><br><span class="hoenzb">Smith</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><br>On 2013-12-09, at 12:53 PM, Michael Sweet <<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com">msweet@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> All,<br>><br>> During our last Cloud Imaging Model WG meeting, we discussed having the ability to explicitly cancel a previous Identify-Printer operation. The consensus during that meeting was to add a new "identify-actions" keyword ('cancel') that would cancel any active identification mechanism.<br>><br>> In addition, a new "printer-state-reasons" keyword ('identifying-printer' was proposed, although given the existing 'identify-printer-requested' value I like adding 'identify-printer-active' instead) would be added to allow a Client to discover whether a printer is currently identifying itself using an action other than 'cancel', which by definition stops any active identification and removes the new keyword from the "printer-state-reasons" attribute...<br>><br>> The official registration would look like this:<br>><br>> Attributes (attribute syntax)<br>> Keyword Attribute Value Reference<br>> ----------------------- ---------<br>> identify-actions (1setOf type2 keyword) [PWG5100.13]<br>> cancel<br>><br>> printer-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) [RFC2911]<br>> identify-printer-active<br>><br>> Thoughts?<br>><br>> (I considered adding this to IPPSIX, but since this has application outside of shared infrastructure/cloud deployments I think we should register it separately...)<br>><br>> _______________________________________________________________<br>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> ipp mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>> <a href="https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp" target="_blank">https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>_______________________________________________<br>ipp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><a href="https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp" target="_blank">https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>ipp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp<br></blockquote></div><br><div>
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