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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>At the risk of adding confusion...<br><br>We speak of submitting Jobs with document data by reference (URI)<br>or by value (attached). <br></div><br>Why not just add "by scan (local scanner)".<br>
<br></div>What I don't like about the term "Hardcopy Document Object" is that <br>the word Scan or Scanner isn't there, but this is always the source.<br><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div><div>- Ira<br><br>
</div><div>PS - I dislike putting titlecase prefixes on Document Object or Job<br></div><div>Object - it muddies readability.<br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Zehler, Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com" target="_blank">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Well, I guess I’ll be quiet now except to say it would be a good time to describe the attributes and constraints on all three types of Documents.
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:14 PM</span></p><div class="im"><br>
<b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] Don't redefine Hardcopy Document<u></u><u></u></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess we are in violent agreement. One comment below.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is the difference between a Hardcopy Document and a Hardcopy Document /Object/. We need to define the latter and not the former.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am not suggesting a subclass of document.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We already categorize documents as "referenced" and "with attached document data". For hardcopy documents we would have a Document Object containing description attributes/elements that identify the source and properties of the hardcopy
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<p class="MsoNormal">I chose to call it a "Hardcopy Document Object" as opposed to a "Document Object with Associated Hardcopy Document Input Elements". How the digital representation is stored and when exactly the document is scanned are, IMHO, implementation
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