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<html><head><base href="x-msg://290/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Bill,<div><br></div><div>I did some quick searches and found the obligatory Wikipedia article:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_paper">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_paper</a></div><div><br></div><div>This page would seem to indicate that the more general term is now just "cotton paper" or "cotton bond paper" since rags/scrap fabric are only one source of the fibers.</div><div><br></div><div>So my proposed addition is "stationery-cotton".</div><div><br></div><div>........</div><div><br></div><div>A search for printable fabrics yielded some available inkjet products:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Avery-Printable-Fabric-Printers-03384/dp/B0000C0CJZ">http://www.amazon.com/Avery-Printable-Fabric-Printers-03384/dp/B0000C0CJZ</a></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://www.lexjet.com/p-3009-Photo-Tex-PSA-Fabric-Aqueous-Printers.aspx">http://www.lexjet.com/p-3009-Photo-Tex-PSA-Fabric-Aqueous-Printers.aspx</a></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://www.fabricdepot.com/index.php?page=CatalogPage&pageid=14515">http://www.fabricdepot.com/index.php?page=CatalogPage&pageid=14515</a></div><div><br></div><div>I see a variety of sheet and roll media, with and without adhesive backing (some are iron-on, some are room temperature adhesives). How about the following additional type names:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>fabric<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Generic printable fabric (sheets or rolls)</div><div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>fabric-heat-adhesive<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Printable fabric with a heat-activated adhesive backing</div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>fabric-self-adhesive<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Printable fabric with a self-adhesive backing (no heat required)</div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>fabric-fine<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Printable fabric with a thread count of 200 or more</div></div><div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>fabric-coarse<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Printable fabric with a thread count less then 100</div></div><div><div><br></div></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, William A Wagner wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I suggest that the use of “fabric” as a top-level media type is reasonable but as a qualifier for stationary is not, because the word refers to the product of a weaving or felting process, not the type of fiber used. If a general qualifier is needed, the common term is rag (at least it used to be); e.g., rag-content paper. But I recall the specific request was for “cotton” and cotton is the fiber normally used in rag paper.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Further, whereas Cotton paper is made from cotton fibers, my understand is that the term Linen paper commonly refers to wood pulp or cotton paper finished to look/have the texture of linen, so the use of cotton and linen are not parallel in this context.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michael Sweet<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, June 18, 2012 3:40 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Petrie, Glen<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [IPP] media-type names and cotton?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Glen,<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">"stationery" is just plain sheets of paper. There are qualified versions of stationery as well, e.g., "stationery-letterhead", so this would just be another form of that - think special paper used for cover letters or resumes that otherwise behaves and is used like plain paper.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Technically we could use "fabric" as a top-level media type with qualified versions for different fabrics and finishes, e.g.:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric-cotton<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric-glossy<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric-high-gloss<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric-inkjet<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric-linen<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric-matte<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric-semi-gloss<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric-tweed<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>fabric-waterproof<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">however I would consider those types to be specific to fabric printing, e.g. curtains, clothing, etc., and not to sheets of specialized paper.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Jun 18, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Cambria, serif; color: blue; ">Mike</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Cambria, serif; color: blue; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Cambria, serif; color: blue; ">Maybe I wrong but I thought stationery was just another word for "plain"; so this new name means "plain-cotton". Is there anything wrong with just cotton and linen?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Cambria, serif; color: blue; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Cambria, serif; color: blue; ">Glen</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Cambria, serif; color: blue; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Cambria, serif; color: blue; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Michael Sweet<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, June 18, 2012 12:22 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Peter Zehler<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ipp@pwg.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[IPP] media-type names and cotton?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Pete/All,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Do I just need to add "stationery-cotton" to the media type name list in MSN2?<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Do we want this generalized (stationery-fabric?) or list other materials, e.g., linen?<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Monaco, serif; color: black; ">________________________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; 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