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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Glen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I really hate arguments over names of attributes/elements. We are talking about tags in a protocol. We could change the attribute name “media-input-tray-check” and the element name ”MediaInputTrayCheck” to “Appletree” and it would not change its semantics. An application, used by people, can use any nomenclature deemed acceptable for the environment. A picture of a tray works just as well as any of the terms you suggested below. The objective of the model is not standardization of user interfaces across the industry. The goal is standardization definitions of the semantics. If the semantics contain a links between “MediaSource”, “MediaInputTrayCheck” and “InputTray” then the Semantic Model should clarify the relationship. I would expect JPS3 to do the same.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Note that the IPP and Semantic Model have mappings to the Printer MIB’s prtInputTable(1.3.6.1.2.1.43.8.2) and prtOutputTable (1.3.6.1.2.1.43.9.2) subunits. The Semantic Model represents the complete subunits while IPP chose a subset of objects of interest. The Semantic Model choose the tags “InputTrays” and “OutputTrays” to map to the MIB objects and documented those mappings in PWG5108.1. There is no direct mapping from IPP’s representation of these MIB objects since the Semantic Model maps its subunit elements (i.e., “Configuration” elements) to the standard object definitions (i.e., RFC3805).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you are seeking a standard name to put in a UI, perhaps a standard message catalogue may be the answer. It could also have standard names in multiple languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:navy'>Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>Xerox Research Center Webster<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Email: <a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Voice: (585) 265-8755</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>FAX: (585) 265-7441</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Xerox Corp.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>M/S 128-25E</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Petrie, Glen [mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter; Michael Sweet<br><b>Cc:</b> ipp@pwg.org; mfd@pwg.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] media-input-tray-check-default<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Ok, but …. people who will start using PJT and not real background with or using IPP may find it confusing. i.e. “Is it source?” “Is it tray?” “Is it input tray?” “Are they the same thing?”. Does a client display a label called “Media Source” or “Input Tray” or “Media Tray” or “Media Input Tray”. One more push to use MediaSourceCheck and have a note stating that new specifications have changed from Input Tray to Media Source.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>[If we change (input) tray to source; does output bin have a new name?]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Zehler, Peter <a href="mailto:[mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com]">[mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> Petrie, Glen; Michael Sweet<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; <a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org">mfd@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] media-input-tray-check-default</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Glen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I want a cleaner mapping to IPP whenever possible. I’d prefer MediaInputTrayCheck with a clarifying clauses in the descriptions of MediaSource and MediaInputTrayCheck. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:navy'>Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>Xerox Research Center Webster<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Email: <a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Voice: (585) 265-8755</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>FAX: (585) 265-7441</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Xerox Corp.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>M/S 128-25E</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Petrie, Glen <a href="mailto:[mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com]">[mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2012 8:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Sweet<br><b>Cc:</b> Zehler, Peter; <a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; <a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org">mfd@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] media-input-tray-check-default<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>I am ok with either name; but in PJT, if the convention is to use MediaSource; then I believe we should use MediaSourceCheck and not MediaInputTrayCheck.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Michael Sweet <a href="mailto:%5bmailto:msweet@apple.com%5d">[mailto:msweet@apple.com]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> Petrie, Glen<br><b>Cc:</b> Zehler, Peter; <a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>; <a href="mailto:mfd@pwg.org">mfd@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] media-input-tray-check-default</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Glen,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MediaInputTrayCheck and 5100.3's media-input-tray-check use the older Printer MIB naming convention, even though roll and slot names can be used.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MediaSource comes from JPS3's media-source - "source" as a more general word than "input tray" since it covers slots and rolls. We had a lot of discussion about this early in the definition of media-source for JPS3 and concluded that we should break the chain and use the new name. (oh, and realizing that we have printer-input-tray and printer-output-tray mapped from the MIB, I may propose to change those names accordingly for the final JPS3; "media-source" is widely implemented already but "printer-input-tray" and "printer-output-tray" are not...)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Pete, Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>In the PJT the MediaInputTray is (I believe) is called MediaSource; so, at least in the PJT, should MediaInputTrayCheck become MediaSourceCheck??</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Glen</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> <a href="mailto:%5bmailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org%5d">[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Petrie, Glen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Sweet; Zehler, Peter<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [IPP] media-input-tray-check-default</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Should the value of “Unknown” be used? Below is the statement from rfc2911</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'>Note: SNMP MIBs use '2' for 'unknown' which corresponds to the IPP</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> "out-of-band" value 'unknown'. See the description of the "out-of-</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> band" values at the beginning of Section 4.1. Therefore, attributes</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> of type 'enum' start at '3'.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> <a href="mailto:%5bmailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org%5d">[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Sweet<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] media-input-tray-check-default</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>OK, I'm convinced. I'll add "no-value" to this one and any others like it where it would not always make sense to force a default value.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:33 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I prefer option #2. One of my reason is that it allows the operator to set policy for underspecified jobs on the printer. (If the client is not being careful, then the printer will.) It is a very handy feature in production printing.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Pete</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Impact","sans-serif";color:navy'>Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><ns0:place w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown" w:endInsDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z"><ns0:placename w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown" w:endInsDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z"><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>Xerox</span><span class=msoIns><ins datetime="2012-01-25T07:05"></ns0:placename></ins></span></ns0:place></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><ns0:placename w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown" w:endInsDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z"><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>Research</span><span class=msoIns><ins datetime="2012-01-25T07:05"></ns0:placename></ins></span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><ns0:placetype w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown" w:endInsDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z"><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'>Center</span><span class=msoIns><ins datetime="2012-01-25T07:05"></ns0:placetype></ins></span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:navy'> Webster<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Email:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com"><span style='color:purple'>Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Voice: (585) 265-8755</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>FAX: (585) 265-7441</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Xerox Corp.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><ns0:street w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown" w:endInsDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z"><ns0:address w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown" w:endInsDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>800 Phillips Rd.</span><span class=msoIns><ins datetime="2012-01-25T07:05"></ns0:address></ins></span></ns0:street></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>M/S 128-25E</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-image: initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org"><span style='color:purple'>ipp-bounces@pwg.org</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:%5bmailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org%5d">[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Paul Tykodi<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:11 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org"><span style='color:purple'>ipp@pwg.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: [IPP] media-input-tray-check-default</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Mike,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For production printing, I have found during my career that it is critical to have automatic checks and balances within the job submission workflow so that a very large job (with a significant cost of production) is not released such that it will be printed on incorrect media and thus be a total loss (i.e. must be destroyed and cannot be distributed – job must be run again). The AFP Consortium has the same type of intelligence in their Intelligent Printer Data Stream specification as we have in IPP.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think it is possible that some vendors may have interpreted the description in the specification to mean that the default value should refer to the function being enabled or disabled. If it is enabled, it then interacts with the media in the job ticket I therefore prefer option #2 to resolve this issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>/Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul Tykodi<br>Principal Consultant<br>TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC<br><br>Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><ns0:place w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown" w:endInsDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z"><ns0:city w:insAuthor="Unknown" w:insDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z" w:endInsAuthor="Unknown" w:endInsDate="2012-01-25T07:05:00Z"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mobile</span><span class=msoIns><ins datetime="2012-01-25T07:05"></ns0:city></ins></span></ns0:place></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>: 603-866-0712<br>E-mail: <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ptykodi@tykodi.com"><span style='color:purple'>ptykodi@tykodi.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:100.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>WWW: <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.tykodi.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://www.tykodi.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial;border-image: initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org"><span style='color:purple'>ipp-bounces@pwg.org</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:%5bmailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org%5d"><span style='color:purple'>[mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org]</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Michael Sweet<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, January 23, 2012 6:14 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org"><span style='color:purple'>ipp@pwg.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[IPP] media-input-tray-check-default</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>All,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I am going through yet another round of updates to the IANA registry (this time for sure! :), and noticed that I still have the media-input-tray-check-default attribute tagged as "under review". I would like to resolve this before we submit our next round of updates to the registry.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>BACKGROUND</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>PWG 5100.3 (Production Printing Set 1) defines the media-input-tray-check Job Template attribute thusly:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>The “media-input-tray-check” Job Template attribute indicates that the Printer MUST check that the characteristics of the media in the identified input tray are the same as characteristics of the media identified by the Job's "media" Job Template attribute or matched (see section 3.13) by the Job's "media- col" Job Template attribute. The keyword values are the same input tray keyword values as are defined for the "media" Job Template attribute (see section 6.3 in this document and [RFC2911] Appendix C), i.e., 'top', 'middle', 'bottom', etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Independent of the "ipp-attributes-fidelity" operation attribute supplied by the client, if the characteristics differ, the Printer adds the ‘resources-are-not-ready’ value (see section 6.1) to the job's "job-state-reasons" attribute and MAY either (1) put the job into the ‘pending-held’ state or (2) start to process the job normally, but immediately stop the job (“job-state” = ‘processing-stopped’) and the Printer (“printer-state” = ‘stopped’). In either implementation, the operator can change the media in the input tray to agree with the job or can modify the job’s “media” or “media-col” attributes to agree with the input tray, depending on policy.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Table 1 (at the beginning of section 3) defines media-input-tray-check-default and -supported.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>The issue is that there should not be a default media-input-tray-check value; like some other Job Template attributes (e.g. overrides), it does not make sense to have a default value for this particular attribute since it interacts with the media in the job ticket.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>There are two ways to resolve this issue:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>1. Drop media-input-tray-check-default from the registry and post an errata for 5100.3 removing the media-input-tray-check-default attribute from Table 1.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>2. Update the definition of media-input-tray-check-default to include the "no-value" out-of-band value.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I prefer option #1.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Comments?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>________________________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><br>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>This message has been scanned for viruses and<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>dangerous content by<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b><span style='color:purple'>MailScanner</span></b></a>, and is<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>believed to be clean.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><br>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>This message has been scanned for viruses and<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>dangerous content by<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b><span style='color:purple'>MailScanner</span></b></a>, and is<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>believed to be clean.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Andale Mono";color:black'><br>--<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>This message has been scanned for viruses and<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>dangerous content by<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b><span style='color:purple'>MailScanner</span></b></a>, and is<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>believed to be clean. _______________________________________________<br>ipp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org"><span style='color:purple'>ipp@pwg.org</span></a><br><a href="https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp"><span style='color:purple'>https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>__________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-- <br>This message has been scanned for viruses and <br>dangerous content by <a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is <br>believed to be clean. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>-- <br>This message has been scanned for viruses and <br>dangerous content by <a href="http://www.mailscanner.info/"><b>MailScanner</b></a>, and is <br>believed to be clean. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>__________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><br />--
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