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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Pete,</div><div><br></div><div>I'll post an errata for 3382.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:48 AM, "Zehler, Peter" &lt;<a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@xerox.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><base href="x-msg://342/"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I know it’s confusing; it confused some people here.&nbsp; One thing, other than the inconsistent differences, that contributed to their confusion was that RFC3382 was publish in September of 2002 and PWG5100.3 was published in February of 2001.&nbsp; Their initial assumption was that newer spec should be correct.&nbsp; They did not read the fine print in section 5 that indicates the definitions are informative.&nbsp; Furthermore there is no reference, normative or informative, that points to the official definition.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I’d like to see the 6 mistakes in rfc3382 corrected.&nbsp; It might also be a good idea to include at least an informative reference to PWG5100.3.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Pete<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email: <a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Voice: (585) 265-8755</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">FAX: (585) 265-7441</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Corp.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">M/S 128-25E</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Zehler, Peter<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPP] media-size unit problem in rfc3382<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Pete,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The media-col definition in 3382 was informative and never registered.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(and yes this is confusing)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:31 AM, Zehler, Peter wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">The units for media-size in rfc3382 are incorrect.&nbsp; The examples in rfc3382 are inconsistent.&nbsp; It is my understanding that current implementations from multiple vendors use hundredth of a millimeter.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Rfc3382:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">3.1 &nbsp;4a – example is in mm<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">5.1.2.1 – defines units as inches<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">5.1.2.2 - defines units as inches<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">7.2 – example in inches<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Appendix A – example in inches<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Appendix B – example in inches<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">PWG5100.3:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">3.13.8.1 - defines units as<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">hundredths of a millimeter</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">3.13.8.1 - defines units as<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">hundredths of a millimeter</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">3.13.8.3.1 - defines units as<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">hundredths of a millimeter</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">3.13.8.3.2 - defines units as<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">hundredths of a millimeter</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">PWG5105.1:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">7.1 - defines units as<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">PWG5108.1:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">4.3.1 – does not call out unit but<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">references 5100.3</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">5.2.1 - defines units as<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">hundredths of a millimeter (references 5100.3)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Impact&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Peter Zehler</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Research Center Webster<br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Email:<span class="apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Voice: (585) 265-8755</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">FAX: (585) 265-7441</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">US Mail: Peter Zehler</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Xerox Corp.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">800 Phillips Rd.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">M/S 128-25E</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:navy">Webster NY, 14580-9701</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></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