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Hi Glen,<br><br>I respectfully disagree with your whole premise.<br><br>The PWG collaborated very successfully with Adobe<br>to develop PWG PDF/is - a subset and a profile of <br>Adobe�PDF.<br><br>While PDF/1.7 later became the ISO 32000 standard,<br>
in 2004 the PWG was delighted to collaborate with our <br>lead editor Rick Seeler from Adobe on PDF/is.<br><br>I see no reason to treat PWG CUPS Raster any<br>differently.<br><br>Names of attributes (prefixes) are probably suitable<br>
discussion topics.<br><br>But the idea that PWG should only specify a PWG raster <br>format from scratch would set a bad precedent.<br><br>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br><br><br>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Petrie, Glen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com">glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I have reviewed the new proposed standard and have two concerns with
respect to the "IPP Subset of CUPS Raster"</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>1.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">��� </span></font></span></span></font>It
was my understand that a IEEE ISTO PWG Standard must not be the standardization
of product or a specific company's implementation</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>a.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">���
</span></font></span></span></font>Thus, there is a great need for a
PWG IPP Image format or PWG IPP Raster format; however, I believe that
specifying it as a subset of the specific open-source or vendor product is not
in line with PWG standards practices.� This is not to say that is could not
have a normative or informative reference to a specific open-source or vendor
product but it should stand on its own with ties to a specific open-source or
vendor product.� Also, it should not use attribute names or variables that are
identified with a specific open-source or vendor product.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>b.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">���
</span></font></span></span></font>I am aware of other entities that
wish to use an established format (i.e. CUPS Raster 2); but if PWG is going to
standardize it, it should be PWG entity.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>2.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">��� </span></font></span></span></font>The
specific open-source or vendor product that is being discussed is CUPS.� So, the
other concern with a standard that directly references CUPS is that CUPS is
licensed by/under Apple and GPL.� </p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>a.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">���
</span></font></span></span></font>I have not heard or know that
Apple has provided a Letter of Assurance on the use by others for the use a
subset of CUPS definition.� While, I believe that Apple would provide LOA upon
request.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>b.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">���
</span></font></span></span></font>On the other, if any or part of
the content PWG is proposing to use from CUPS was/is part of CUPS that was/is
under GPL before Apple�s ownership; then there is the question if GPL
license applies.� Major print vendors may be at risk of either having to release
their source code that is associated with CUPS content or even being sued by
GPL proponents.� �</p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p><font color="#888888">
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Glen</span></font></p></font><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Michael
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Subject: [IPP] New draft of IPP Subset of CUPS Raster (IPP Raster)specification
posted</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">All,</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I have posted a new version of the IPP Raster specification at:</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">��� <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.docx" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.docx</a></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">��� <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.pdf" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.pdf</a></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">��� <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126-rev.pdf" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126-rev.pdf</a></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">This version incorporates all of the feedback from the IPP telecon
including the rename from PWG to IPP...</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">________________________________________________________________________</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">�</span></font></p>
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