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Hi Glen,<br><br>I respectfully disagree with your whole premise.<br><br>The PWG collaborated very successfully with Adobe<br>to develop PWG PDF/is - a subset and a profile of <br>Adobe PDF.<br><br>While PDF/1.7 later became the ISO 32000 standard,<br>
in 2004 the PWG was delighted to collaborate with our <br>lead editor Rick Seeler from Adobe on PDF/is.<br><br>I see no reason to treat PWG CUPS Raster any<br>differently.<br><br>Names of attributes (prefixes) are probably suitable<br>
discussion topics.<br><br>But the idea that PWG should only specify a PWG raster <br>format from scratch would set a bad precedent.<br><br>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br><br><br>Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Petrie, Glen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com">glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I have reviewed the new proposed standard and have two concerns with
respect to the "IPP Subset of CUPS Raster"</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>1.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></font></span></span></font>It
was my understand that a IEEE ISTO PWG Standard must not be the standardization
of product or a specific company's implementation</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>a.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font>Thus, there is a great need for a
PWG IPP Image format or PWG IPP Raster format; however, I believe that
specifying it as a subset of the specific open-source or vendor product is not
in line with PWG standards practices. This is not to say that is could not
have a normative or informative reference to a specific open-source or vendor
product but it should stand on its own with ties to a specific open-source or
vendor product. Also, it should not use attribute names or variables that are
identified with a specific open-source or vendor product.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>b.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font>I am aware of other entities that
wish to use an established format (i.e. CUPS Raster 2); but if PWG is going to
standardize it, it should be PWG entity.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>2.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";"> </span></font></span></span></font>The
specific open-source or vendor product that is being discussed is CUPS. So, the
other concern with a standard that directly references CUPS is that CUPS is
licensed by/under Apple and GPL. </p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>a.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font>I have not heard or know that
Apple has provided a Letter of Assurance on the use by others for the use a
subset of CUPS definition. While, I believe that Apple would provide LOA upon
request.</p>
<p style="margin-left: 1in;"><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span>b.<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span style="font: 7pt "Times New Roman";">
</span></font></span></span></font>On the other, if any or part of
the content PWG is proposing to use from CUPS was/is part of CUPS that was/is
under GPL before Apple’s ownership; then there is the question if GPL
license applies. Major print vendors may be at risk of either having to release
their source code that is associated with CUPS content or even being sued by
GPL proponents. </p>
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<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Glen</span></font></p></font><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp-bounces@pwg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Michael
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Subject: [IPP] New draft of IPP Subset of CUPS Raster (IPP Raster)specification
posted</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">All,</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">I have posted a new version of the IPP Raster specification at:</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.docx" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.docx</a></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.pdf" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.pdf</a></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126-rev.pdf" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126-rev.pdf</a></span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">This version incorporates all of the feedback from the IPP telecon
including the rename from PWG to IPP...</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">________________________________________________________________________</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair</span></font></p>
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