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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Since email with attachments is blocked by
the IPP reflector (even small ones), the attachment that I refer to below is
also posted at:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a
href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/Toward-resolving-Apples-JSP2-comment-on-units-for-font-size-requested.pdf"
title="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/Toward-resolving-Apples-JSP2-comment-on-units-for-font-size-requested.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/Toward-resolving-Apples-JSP2-comment-on-units-for-font-size-requested.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a
href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/Toward-resolving-Apples-JSP2-comment-on-units-for-font-size-requested.doc"
title="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/Toward-resolving-Apples-JSP2-comment-on-units-for-font-size-requested.doc">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/Toward-resolving-Apples-JSP2-comment-on-units-for-font-size-requested.doc</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This is RESEND 1 or 2 for
tomorrow’s IPP WG telecon, July 19. (Yes, the “S” and “P”
are switched in the file name, sorry).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tom Hastings
[mailto:tom.hastings@verizon.net] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:56<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ipp@pwg.org; 'Michael R
Sweet'; '<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Paul Tykodi</st1:PersonName>'; 'Ira
McDonald'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Daniel Bell; Gary Brown; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">Daniel Manchala</st1:PersonName>; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Peter
Zehler</st1:PersonName>; 'Tom Hastings'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Toward resolving Apple's
IPP WG Last Call comment on changing the units for
"font-size-requested" from points to decipoints</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Since the font,
highlighting, and indentation will be smashed when this mail message is turned
to plain text, I’ve attached a 47 KB .pdf which is much more readable,
complete with line numbers to make it easier to discuss at the telecon.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>For the IPP WG telecon,
tomorrow, Monday, July 19, here is input for the agenda topic:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> (5) Status of IPP WG Last Call on IPP JPS2 (Tom)
- ends Monday 12 July<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> - <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>>
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v28-20100606-cl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> ean.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> (ended Monday 12 July 2010)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> (6) Next Steps<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> - IPP WG - Monday 26 July<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> - IPP JPS2 into PWG Last Call?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Apple had made the
following IPP WG Last Call comment:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>2. The "font-size-requested" attribute uses
points as the units, however it should probably use a higher-precision unit (at
least decipoints, or 1/720th of an inch) to avoid issues with getting common
fixed-width font spacing right (e.g. 17 characters per inch with a standard
Courier font would need a point size of 5.293...) [And apologies for the late
notice on this - I haven't read through the older material in a while...]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I had the action item to
contact Xerox about whether or not it had implemented the
“font-size-requested” based on the draft submitted to the PWG in
2002. I had suggested the following possible alternatives to Xerox:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'>If
Xerox hasn’t really implemented the “font-size-requested” Job
Template attribute, Xerox should just agree to make the units be decipoints.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'>However,
if Xerox has implemented the “font-size-requested” Job Template
attribute, what should the PWG do? Alternatives:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'>Xerox could argue that for real printing, the font
size is specified in the document data, NOT in the IPP protocol. In the
document data, the size of the font can be specified in finer units than
points. So as the description says, this attribute is only used with
‘text/plain’, or ‘text/html’ (when there is no font
size specified in the html), so the need for higher precision is not really
needed.</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'>Xerox could change its implementation.</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
background:yellow'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'>Xerox could keep its implementation and ignore
the PWG IPP standard in this respect.</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'>Xerox could make it an installation option or
configurable setting whether the Printer uses points or decipoints for this
attribute.</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'>Add a Printer attribute to the PWG spec that says
what the units are for “font-size-requested”, say,
“font-size-requested-units” (type2 keyword) = ‘points’,
‘decipoints’. If “font-size-requested-units” is
NOT supported, clients MUST assume the units are: ‘decipoints’.</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
background:yellow'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'>Add a Printer attribute to the PWG spec that says
what the units are for “font-size-requested”, say, “font-size-requested-units”
(type2 keyword) = ‘points’, ‘decipoints’. If
“font-size-requested-units” is NOT supported, clients MUST assume
the units are: ‘points’.</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'>Any
other suggestions?</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The IPP WG Last Call
comment period has been extended from June 21 (today), to <span
style='background:yellow'>Friday July 9</span>, so we have a little time to
decide what to do and what to recommend to the PWG.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Dan Bell responded that
Xerox had a long standing implementation and would be unlikely to change its
implementation. He indicated his alternatives in order of decreasing
desirability, including adding an additional suggestion #3 below:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks for the insights.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Xerox HAS implemented
support for “font-size-requested”, and it’s been in existence
for a long time. I don’t know how extensively it’s used, but
it’s there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would say it’s
highly unlikely that Xerox would be willing to change its long-time existing
implementation at this point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>For the proposed options
of adding a “font-size-requested-units” attribute, another option
would be to make it a job-template attribute and have it passed in the job
along with “font-size-requested”. Then a
“font-size-requested-units-supported” attribute could advertise
what the printer supports. And if a job is submitted with no “font-size-requested-units”
then either the device assumes it’s points, or uses the
“font-size-requested-units-default” value.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In my opinion the
acceptable options, in order of preference, would be:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'>Xerox could argue that for real printing, the
font size is specified in the document data, NOT in the IPP protocol. In
the document data, the size of the font can be specified in finer units than
points. So as the description says, this attribute is only used with
‘text/plain’, or ‘text/html’ (when there is no font
size specified in the html), so the need for higher precision is not really
needed.</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'>Add a Printer attribute to the PWG spec that says
what the units are for “font-size-requested”, say,
“font-size-requested-units” (type2 keyword) = ‘points’,
‘decipoints’. If “font-size-requested-units” is
NOT supported, clients MUST assume the units are: ‘points’.</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
background:yellow'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:green'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:green;background:yellow'>Add a Job template attribute to the PWG spec
that what the units are for “font-size-requested” for the job, say,
“font-size-requested-units” (type2 keyword) = ‘points’,
‘decipoints’. If
“font-size-requested-units-supported” is NOT supported on the
Printer, clients MUST assume the units are: ‘points’. If the
job does not contain “font-size-requested-units”, the
Printer’s default value is used. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy;background:yellow'>Xerox could keep its implementation and ignore
the PWG IPP standard in this respect.</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;background:yellow'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
background:yellow'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>To further support
alternative #1, I urge the IPP WG to remember that the very few
“xxx-requested” Job Template attributes are ones that request the
Printer to do something, as long as the document data is silent on that
feature. If the document data does specify something, then the document
data takes precedence. The “font-size-requested” is one of
the 3 Job Template attributes whose precedence is <i><span style='font-style:
italic'>lower</span></i> than the document data. Others are
“font-name-requested” [JPS2] and
“orientation-requested” [RFC2911]. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>So the question is how
likely is it that an application generates document data in which it can supply
font size in the data but fails to do so?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Or how likely is it that
a user (1) received such a document or (2) received a plain text document from
somewhere that the user wants to specify the font to a size more precisely than
one point?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Here is the current full
text of the “font-size-requested” Job Template attribute which clearly
describes these lower precedence attributes which are intended only for
text/plain and text/html document formats or situations where the application
could not or did not include the font size in the document data:</span></font><a
name="_Toc263624793"></a><a name="_Ref17791733"></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<h2 style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo8'><![if !supportLists]><b><font
size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.3<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font></b><![endif]>font-size-requested
(integer (1:MAX))<o:p></o:p></h2>
<h3 style='text-indent:0in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo8'><a name="_Toc263624794"><![if !supportLists]><b><font
size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.3.1<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font></b><![endif]>font-size-requested-default
(integer (1:MAX))</a><o:p></o:p></h3>
<h3 style='text-indent:0in;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo8'><a name="_Toc263624795"><![if !supportLists]><b><font
size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.3.2<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font></b><![endif]>font-size-requested-supported
(1setOf rangeOfInteger (1:MAX))</a><o:p></o:p></h3>
<p class=bodytexta style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>The OPTIONAL "font-size-requested" Job
Template attribute enables an IPP client to specify what default font size the printer
MUST use to print a job if the document data is in a format that does not have
inherent font information (e.g., ‘text/plain’). For document
formats which have inherent font information (such as PostScript), this
attribute will be ignored and will NOT override that information.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=bodytextb style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>For some document formats (such as
'application/postscript'), the desired default font size of the print-stream
pages is specified within the document data. This information is
generated by a device driver prior to the submission of the print job.
Other document formats (such as 'text/plain') do not include the notion of
desired font size within the document data. In the latter case it is
possible for the Printer object to bind the desired font size to the document
data after it has been submitted. It is expected that a Printer object
would only support "font-size-requested" for some document formats
(e.g., 'text/plain' or 'text/html') but not others (e.g.,
'application/postscript'). This PDL-dependent behavior is no different
than any other Job Template attribute since a Printer object may support or not
support any Job Template attribute based on the document format supplied by the
client. However, a special mention is made here since it is very likely
that a Printer object will support "font-size-requested" for only a
subset of the supported document formats.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=bodytextb style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>The “font-size-requested” units are
points, equivalent to 1/72<sup>nd</sup> of an inch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=bodytextb style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>This attribute can be specified as a Document Override
that affects the Input-Document. The use of this attribute on a Page
override basis is not supported since changing the font characteristics can
affect the pagination.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=bodytextb style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>NOTE: The use of the “xxx-requested”
pattern for attribute names indicates that the value of the attribute is to be
used ONLY in the case when a value for the attribute is not contained within
the source document. This value will override the printer’s default
value but will not override the source document’s value. See the
description of the “orientation-requested” Job Template attribute
in [RFC2911].<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>At the meeting tomorrow
and/or on the mail list, the IPP WG needs to consider the alternatives for
resolving Apple’s IPP WG Last Call comment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Tom<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] <br>
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 09:06<br>
To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Paul Tykodi</st1:PersonName>;
Tom Hastings; Ira McDonald<br>
Subject: Re: IPP Agenda - 4pm EDT Monday 19 July 2010<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>REMINDER of tomorrow's IPP WG telecon<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>- Ira<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Ira McDonald
<blueroofmusic@gmail.com> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> [rescheduled from 12 July - apologies for missing agenda posting]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Reminder of our next IPP WG call:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Monday 19 July - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Attendee Access Code: *******#<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Attendee ID Code: # (empty)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> *** Main Objective - move IPP JPS2 into PWG Last Call ***<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> - Mike?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (2) Approve IPP minutes from last meeting<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-concall-minutes-20100621.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (3) Status of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100527-rev.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (or later draft if available)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (4) Status of PWG Formal Vote on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> -
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100610.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (ended Monday 12 July 2010)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (5) Status of IPP WG Last Call on IPP JPS2 (Tom) - ends Monday 12
July<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v28-20100606-clean.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (ended Monday 12 July 2010)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> (6) Next Steps<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> - IPP WG - Monday 26 July<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> - IPP JPS2 into PWG Last Call?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> winter:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">579 Park Place</st1:Street>
<st1:City w:st="on">Saline</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MI</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">48176</st1:PostalCode></st1:address><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> 734-944-0094<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> summer:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> PO Box 221 Grand <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Marais</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">MI</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode
w:st="on">49839</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>> 906-494-2434<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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