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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>JTAPI aside, I believe we have a different
overall print model; which reduce the situation to a matter of mapping and
bindings. I am working on the Common Mobile Print Dialog (Client) (CPDC) for
OpenPrinting and would like to use the PWG:PJT. I realize the PWG activities
are not specifically concerned with specifying is part of the print chain but I
am trying to make the two mesh together. I am doing a write up for
OpenPrinting now and will copy you if you are interested. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>Since this type of discussion really
take diagrams along with discussion; let me do the write up before we talk.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
cloud-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Zehler, Peter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 01, 2011
4:07 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> William Wagner; cloud@pwg.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Cloud] RE: About PWG
Print Job Ticket</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Glen, Bill and any
interested parties,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I just don’t
type well enough to discuss a matter like this in enough detail. It is
also a discussion that would work better in real time. I propose we use
today’s SM Teleconference slot (phone and LiveMeeting info below) to
discuss this productively.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The short answer
Glen is that the JTAPI Job maps to a PWG PrintJob operation in a single
document job. It maps to a CreateJob, 1*AddDocument/Uri, CloseJob
operations in a multiple document Job. The Job in your model closely
aligns with a JobTicket in the PWG with the exception that documents(Run Lists
in JDF) are not contained in a JobTicket. It should also be noted that
the PWG model does not explicitly model a JobDocumentPage though we do have
PageOverrides.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Pete<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Impact><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Impact;color:navy'>Peter Zehler</span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
color:#1F497D'><br>
<br>
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color=navy face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:navy'>Xerox</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=2 color=navy
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w:st="on">Research</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Center</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><font
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color:navy'> Webster<br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Email: <a href="mailto:Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com">Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com</a></span></font><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Voice: (585) 265-8755</span></font><font size=2
color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;
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font-family:Arial;color:navy'>FAX: (585) 265-7441</span></font><font size=2
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font-family:Arial;color:navy'>US Mail: Peter Zehler</span></font><font size=2
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color:#1F497D'><br>
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font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Xerox Corp.</span></font><font size=2
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font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Webster NY, 14580-9701</span></font><font size=2
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color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Agenda: Thursday December 1, 3pm EST<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1. Identify Minute Taker<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>2. Job Ticket mapping of
PWG/JTAPI/JDF <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Audio Information </span></b><br>
Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Call-in toll number (US/Canada):
1-650-429-3300 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Call-in toll number (US/Canada):
1-408-856-9570 <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Attendee access code: (by request
only, please contact me if you do not have it).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>LiveMeeting URL:</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><u><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><<font
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color=blue><span style='color:blue'> </span></font></span></font></u></b><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'><o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-autospace:none'><b><font
size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold'>LiveMeeting First Time Users: </span></font></b><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'><br>
To save time before the meeting, <a
href="http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=90703">check your system </a>to
make sure it is ready to use Microsoft Office Live Meeting. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>LiveMeeting
Troubleshooting</span></font></b><font face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial'><br>
Unable to join the meeting? Follow these steps: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5;
text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<font
size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>Copy this address and paste it into your web browser:
<br>
<a href="https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join">https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/xerox/join</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6;
text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><font size=3 face=Arial><span
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</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial'>Copy and paste the required information: <br>
Meeting ID: PwgSemanticModel <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> cloud-bounces@pwg.org
[mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>William
Wagner<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011
8:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> cloud@pwg.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Cloud] RE: About PWG
Print Job Ticket<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I suggest that the
discussion remain on the list in that it is useful for many, particularly those
who have not participated in the MFD group. Some of us have been
indoctrinated into Pete’s model to various degrees, but I sometimes get
the impression that people are agreeing with things that are proposed while
having a somewhat different concept, particularly of what a job is and when it
is created. Hopefully the job ticket specification can be made sufficiently
complete to avoid confusion between the PWG model and others. For
example, I was confused about the contention that there were multiple print job
tickets associated with a given print job, although this was clarified to
mean (I think) that there were multiple data objects of the data type
printjobticket associated with a given print job although only one printjobticket
data object (thus the stress in the text that what was being discussed was the
datatype, something that Glen stated was unnecessary)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Bill Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a> <a
href="mailto:%5bmailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org%5d">[mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org]</a>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Petrie, Glen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011
4:34 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Zehler, Peter; <a
href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Cloud] RE: About PWG
Print Job Ticket<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>Thanks for providing your model.
While I understand it; from your description, I now have an even more
fundamental difference than just the Print Job Ticket.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>I would like to continue our dialog as
it really helps in understand the model that you and others are using; but, if
you want to take it off the mail list; that would be ok with me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>My fundamental difference is the role
and responsibilities you discuss.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>I equate your “Client” with
an Application and your “Print Service” with a “Print Client”!
That is, the Application invokes a Print Client (think of the old Print
Dialog). The Print Client, along with the Print Service capabilities (how
that is obtained is another mail thread), provides the user (or maybe the
application) with a set of settable print (service, printing) options for each
document the user (or maybe the application) wants to print as part of the
Print Job. It is the Print Client that creates the Print Job
(object). The Print Client submits the Print Job to the selected Print
Service. The Print Service can then reject or acceptance the Print Job
Request. If accepted the Print Service put the Print Job in
the Print Service’s print queue. I believe this what you refer to a
“job creation”. In my model, only the Print Client can create
Print Jobs and only the Print Service can execute Print Jobs; it is a simple
and distinct separation of roles and responsibilities. In both the
Cloud and mobile environments, this separate enables a simpler API
implementation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>While I did not discuss Print Status
initially, it may or may not be desirable to record job, print-service,
printing status in the actual Print Job Ticket; to me, that is just recording
keeping and the print status could be recorded in a number of places. To
me, the questions are: Does the Application care about print status –
no. Does the Print Client care about print status – no. Only
the user care about print status. If the Print Job fails, the User
will have to invoke a new print request once the failure has been
resolved. This makes it possible (maybe desirable) for the Print
Service to send status data to a completely separate and independent Print
Status Service!! This atomic approach works well in Cloud and mobile
where the location of the individual entities can be anywhere and in different
security domains. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>Back to the question of how to use your
model in/with my model. For any Print Service I create would have a
binding to what I call the Print Client or I create a Print Manager that acts
as your Print Service.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'>glen<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Cambria><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Zehler, Peter <a
href="mailto:%5bmailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com%5d">[mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com]</a>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011
11:00 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen; <a
href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: About PWG Print Job
Ticket</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Glen,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>I believe some of the confusion comes from the differences
in various environments on what constitutes a print job. There are many
environments that model only single document jobs. For example this is
what is used in Windows and Google Cloud Print. Other environment support
multi-document Jobs. IPP and WS-Print support multiple document
jobs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Another source of confusion seems to be where a Print Job
exists. It is my understanding that the Print Job does not exist until a
job creation request (e.g. CreateJob, PrintJob, PrintUri) is accepted by a
Printer and a Job is created based on the information in the job creation
request. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>I would modify your single document job model slightly<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
| Print Job Status <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Print Job => | Print Job Content (by value or
reference) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'> |
Print Job Ticket => | Print Job Description<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
| Print Job Processing<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
|Print Document Processing<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job is the job object created by the Print
Service and contains the job attributes and state <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Status is the set of attributes
maintained by automata for the job (e.g., JobState, ImpressionsCompleted)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Content is the Document data <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where Print Job Ticket is the container element for the
accepted descriptive and processing intent<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Description is the Job level
descriptive elements (e.g., JobName, DocumentFormatSupplied). (your Print Job
Info and Job Content)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Processing is the set of Job level
processing intents (e.g., JobPriority). (your Print Job Info)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Document Processing is the set of
attributes applied the Print Job Content (e.g., Sides, Copies) (your Print Job
Ticket). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>In a single document job submission the Client supplies
the Print Job Content and optionally a Print Job Ticket in the job creation
request. The Printer copies, ignores or substitutes as appropriate when
creating the Print Job.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>The multiple document job model looks like<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Print Job => | Print Job Status<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
| Print Job Ticket => | Print Job Description<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
|
| Print Job Processing<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
|
|Print Document Processing<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
|Print Documents=>
|Print Document=> | Print Document Status<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
| Print Document Content (by value or reference)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
|
Print Document Ticket => | Print Document Description<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>
|Print
Document Processing<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job is the job object created by the Print
Service and contains the job attributes and state <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Status is the set of attributes
maintained by automata for the job (e.g., JobState, ImpressionsCompleted)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where Print Job Ticket is the container element for the
accepted descriptive and processing intent<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Description is the Job level
descriptive elements (e.g., JobName, DocumentFormatSupplied). (your Print Job
Info and Job Content)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Processing is the set of Job level
processing intents (e.g., JobPriority). (your Print Job Info)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Document Processing is the set of
attributes applied the Print Document Content (e.g., Sides, Copies) (your Print
Job Ticket). (Note: These values are used unless overridden at the document
level)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Documents is the container object created
by the Print Service for the contained Document(s) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Document is the document object created by
the Print Service and contains the document attributes and state <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Document Status is the set of attributes
maintained by automata for the Document (e.g., DocumentState,
ImpressionsCompleted)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Document Content is the Document data <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Document Description is the Job level
descriptive elements (e.g., JobName, DocumentFormatSupplied). (your Job
Content)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Document Processing is the set of
attributes applied the Print Document Content (e.g., Sides, Copies) (your Print
Job Ticket). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>In a multiple document job submission the Client
optionally supplies a Print Job Ticket on the job creation request.
The Print Document Content and optionally the Print Document Ticket
are supplied in the add document/uri request. The Printer copies, ignores
or substitutes as appropriate when creating the Print Job or Print Document.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Petrie, Glen <a
href="mailto:%5bmailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com%5d">[mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com]</a>
<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 30, 2011
12:30 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a>;
Zehler, Peter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> About PWG Print Job
Ticket<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>After reviewing of the later content of the Print Job
Ticket specification, I realize what is called a Print Job Ticket in the
specification is what I have always understood to mean the Print Job.
And, what is called the Document Ticket is what I have always understood to
mean the Print Job Ticket. For example, in JTAPI, the attribute in the
specification that are associated with the Document Ticket are those associated
in JTAPI with a Print Job Ticket.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Perhaps you can provide me a reference for a Print Job.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>My understanding is that a Client submits a Print Job to a
Print Service. A Print Job consists of a Print Job Ticket and Print Job
Content (Document) and Print Job Info (parts of what you call PrintJobDescription
and PrintJobProcessing).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>My model <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face=Cambria><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria'>| Print Job Info<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Print Job => | Print Job Ticket<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face=Cambria><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria'>| Print Job Content<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face=Cambria><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Info is the set of attributes you have
that start with ‘Job’.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Ticket is the set of attributes
applied the Print Job Content; what you call DocumentTicket/Processing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Where the Print Job Content is the set of
“documents” and attributes that you generally have that start with
‘Document’<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>In the specification the model is sort of like mine but
the ‘labels’ are different and some elements/attributes moved
around. The closet analog is<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 face=Cambria><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria'>| Print Job Processing<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Print Job Ticket => | Print Document
Processing (could be Print Document Ticket)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 face=Cambria><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria'>| Print Job Description <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.5in'><font size=3 face=Cambria><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Since the PWG:PJT models, object and attributes are, I
assume, based on IPP-isms and naming conventions; I believe the best solution
is mapping of the PWG:PJT in binding code for support of the PWG:PJT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>So, I retracted my comments made yesterday and I will
focus on bindings and/or mappings of the PWG:PJT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Cambria><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Cambria'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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