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Hi Glen,<br><br>Contact info - the NIST website for Cloud Computing says:<br><br>"To learn more about NIST's cloud efforts, join the NIST cloud computing
announcement mailing list (very low volume) by sending an email to
"<a href="mailto:listproc@nist.gov">listproc@nist.gov</a>" with "subscribe cloudlist" in the message body text."<br><br>(I just subscribed to this list).<br><br>The attribution needs to be to US NIST, *not* to the individual authors<br>
of the NIST Cloud Computing definition.<br><br>For customers (especially government departments) purchasing<br>devices/services in the US, the NIST definition of Cloud Computing<br>is authoritative.<br><br>WHY are we quoting them, rather than just referencing them?<br>
<br>I'm strongly opposed to a PWG definition of Cloud Imaging or<br>Cloud Printing that diverges *at all* from the NIST definition.<br><br>Cheers,<br>- Ira<br><br clear="all">Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)<br>
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG<br>Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG<br>IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music/High North Inc<br><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic" target="_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic</a><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Petrie, Glen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com">glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">NIST is a US agency and, as so, work products
are not copyrighted (I believe by law). In fact their top page on cloud
computing has the following statement.</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN">“This
material is public domain although attribution to NIST is requested. It may be
freely duplicated and translated.”</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">So maybe we
should ask a different question. Do we want to (very) tightly align
our definition with content from NIST? I vote yes because it shows coherence/alignment/???
with existing or other organization. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Note that the NIST definition and the
one I propose are very high level and interpretation for “Imaging”
is what is are address.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Glen</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">p.s. If I can find the contact
information I will send a note.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Petrie, Glen <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 12:45
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen; Michael Sweet</span></font></p><div><div><font face="Tahoma" size="2"></font></div><div class="h5"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST
cloud defs</font></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Sorry Mike, I skipped over the
part where you like the substance. So I will send a note NIST
folks.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Petrie, Glen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 12:41
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Michael Sweet<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Your right about the
“copying” but that can be addressed at a later date. For the
moment; is this the type of definition that was intended? If not, can you
or others suggest a couple to sentence on a definition?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">I understand your point on
‘Imaging’ versus ‘Printing/Printer’; but can we put
together a Print/Printing first at then see how to scope it for Imaging?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Glen</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Michael Sweet
[mailto:<a href="mailto:msweet@apple.com" target="_blank">msweet@apple.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 12:15
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST
cloud defs</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Glen,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">While I like the substance of the definition, I am uneasy about
copying their words like this - it would be good to contact the authors to get
their written permission so that we credit them appropriately in the cloud
model spec.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Also, since we *are* doing Cloud Imaging, we probably want the
definition to use Cloud Imaging instead of Cloud Printing and Imaging Device
instead of Printer.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks!</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Cambria" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Based on the article referenced below I
modified in an attempt to create a definition for cloud printing. I
thought it could be reviewed to see if could be useful definition.
In most cases, I literal changed “computing” to
“printing” (or printer). I also added a few print related
items.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><span><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font></span><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a>]<span> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of<span> </span></span></b>Ira McDonald<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span> </span>Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:47 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b><span> </span><a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a>;
Ira McDonald<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b><span> </span>[Cloud] Fwd: NIST cloud defs</span></font></p>
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Date: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:26 PM<br>
Subject: NIST cloud defs<br>
To: Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>><br>
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To share at the meeting, if it's useful:<br>
<a href="http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/cloud-def-v15.doc" target="_blank">http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/cloud-def-v15.doc</a><br>
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