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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">In general you can't assume that any data or document from the government is not copyrighted since contractors often hold joint copyright (and patents, etc.) with the government, and there are more contractors than civil service...<div><br></div><div>In any case, based on Ira's statement I'm thinking we'll want to reference the NIST definitions and describe how Cloud Imaging fits in...</div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">NIST is a <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> agency and, as so, work products
are not copyrighted (I believe by law). In fact their top page on cloud
computing has the following statement.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt">“This
material is public domain although attribution to NIST is requested. It may be
freely duplicated and translated.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><!-- RIGHTCOL ENDS HERE -->So maybe we
should ask a different question. Do we want to (very) tightly align
our definition with content from NIST? I vote yes because it shows coherence/alignment/???
with existing or other organization. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Note that the NIST definition and the
one I propose are very high level and interpretation for “Imaging”
is what is are address.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Glen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">p.s. If I can find the contact
information I will send a note.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Petrie, Glen <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 12:45
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen; Michael Sweet<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST
cloud defs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Sorry Mike, I skipped over the
part where you like the substance. So I will send a note NIST
folks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a> [mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org] <b><span style="font-weight:
bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Petrie, Glen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 12:41
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Michael Sweet<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST
cloud defs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Your right about the
“copying” but that can be addressed at a later date. For the
moment; is this the type of definition that was intended? If not, can you
or others suggest a couple to sentence on a definition?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">I understand your point on
‘Imaging’ versus ‘Printing/Printer’; but can we put
together a Print/Printing first at then see how to scope it for Imaging?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Glen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Michael Sweet
[mailto:msweet@apple.com] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 12:15
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST
cloud defs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Glen,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">While I like the substance of the definition, I am uneasy about
copying their words like this - it would be good to contact the authors to get
their written permission so that we credit them appropriately in the cloud
model spec.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Also, since we *are* doing Cloud Imaging, we probably want the
definition to use Cloud Imaging instead of Cloud Printing and Imaging Device
instead of Printer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Based on the article referenced below I
modified in an attempt to create a definition for cloud printing. I
thought it could be reviewed to see if could be useful definition.
In most cases, I literal changed “computing” to
“printing” (or printer). I also added a few print related
items.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/white/CloudPrintingDef_V01_-_A_Suggestion.doc">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/white/CloudPrintingDef_V01_-_A_Suggestion.doc</a><u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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To share at the meeting, if it's useful:<br>
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