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<div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">I disagree with Ira statement; tech
people will want a definition of Cloud Printing and not be referred to some NIST
definition on cloud computing which they associate with software not printing.
Unless NIST where to provide a definition for cloud printing (scan, copy), it
is the PWG that provides printing related cloud definitions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">(The government does not have patents
and contractors that work on government contracts can not patent work funded directly
by the contract. (That based on 15 years of research work for government
contractors.) Copyright fall in the same area. I.e. a government
photo can be copyrighted by the government. All work done by and directly
funded by the government is in the public domain.)</span></font></p></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></blockquote><div><br></div>I guess you've never worked for the DoD then? In a former life I used to be a government contractor and copyright and patent issues were quite apparent, even 20 years ago...</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue" style="word-wrap: break-word;-webkit-nbsp-mode: space;
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</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Michael Sweet
[mailto:msweet@apple.com] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 2:23
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Cloud] NIST cloud
defs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">In general you can't assume that any data or document from the
government is not copyrighted since contractors often hold joint copyright (and
patents, etc.) with the government, and there are more contractors than civil
service...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">In any case, based on Ira's statement I'm thinking we'll want to
reference the NIST definitions and describe how Cloud Imaging fits in...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Apr 15, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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agency and, as so, work products are not copyrighted (I believe by law).
In fact their top page on cloud computing has the following statement.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt">“This
material is public domain although attribution to NIST is requested. It may be
freely duplicated and translated.”<u1:p></u1:p></span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
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should ask a different question. Do we want to (very) tightly align
our definition with content from NIST? I vote yes because it shows
coherence/alignment/??? with existing or other organization. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Note that the NIST definition and the
one I propose are very high level and interpretation for “Imaging”
is what is are address.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Glen<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">p.s. If I can find the contact
information I will send a note.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">gwp<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Petrie, Glen <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 12:45
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen; Michael Sweet<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST
cloud defs</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Sorry Mike, I skipped over the
part where you like the substance. So I will send a note NIST folks.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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[mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Petrie,
Glen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 12:41
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Michael Sweet<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST
cloud defs</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt"><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Your right about the
“copying” but that can be addressed at a later date. For the
moment; is this the type of definition that was intended? If not, can you
or others suggest a couple to sentence on a definition?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue"><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">I understand your point on
‘Imaging’ versus ‘Printing/Printer’; but can we put together
a Print/Printing first at then see how to scope it for Imaging?<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Cambria"><span style="font-size:
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[mailto:msweet@apple.com] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 15, 2011 12:15
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Cloud] Fwd: NIST
cloud defs</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt">While I like the substance of the definition, I am uneasy about
copying their words like this - it would be good to contact the authors to get
their written permission so that we credit them appropriately in the cloud
model spec.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Also, since we *are* doing Cloud Imaging, we probably want the
definition to use Cloud Imaging instead of Cloud Printing and Imaging Device
instead of Printer.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt">On Apr 15, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:blue">Based on the article referenced below I
modified in an attempt to create a definition for cloud printing. I
thought it could be reviewed to see if could be useful definition.
In most cases, I literal changed “computing” to
“printing” (or printer). I also added a few print related
items.<u3:p></u3:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font></span><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><a href="mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org">cloud-bounces@pwg.org</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:cloud-bounces@pwg.org]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Ira McDonald<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:47 AM<br>
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Ira McDonald<br>
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Date: Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 12:26 PM<br>
Subject: NIST cloud defs<br>
To: Ira McDonald <<a href="mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a>><br>
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To share at the meeting, if it's useful:<br>
<a href="http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/cloud-def-v15.doc" target="_blank">http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/cloud-def-v15.doc</a><br>
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Security Research, Planning<br>
Advanced Customer Technologies<br>
Ricoh Americas Corporation<br>
<a href="mailto:bsmithson@ricohsv.com">bsmithson@ricohsv.com</a><br>
<a href="tel:%28408%29346-4435">(408)346-4435</a><u3:p></u3:p></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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