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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Glen,<div><br></div><div>I'll add it at lunch today for tomorrow's meeting...<div><br><div><div>On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PostalCode">
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<div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I would like to add this to the agenda as
a discussion item during the IPP F2F session. If the group decides, it
should not be discussed, I will retract my request.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thanks, Glen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Ira McDonald
[mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 01, 2011
9:17 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Petrie, Glen; Ira McDonald<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Michael Sweet; <a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org">ipp@pwg.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [IPP] New draft of
IPP Subset of CUPS Raster (IPP Raster)specification posted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Hi Glen,<br>
<br>
I respectfully disagree with your whole premise.<br>
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The PWG collaborated very successfully with Adobe<br>
to develop PWG PDF/is - a subset and a profile of <br>
Adobe PDF.<br>
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While PDF/1.7 later became the ISO 32000 standard,<br>
in 2004 the PWG was delighted to collaborate with our <br>
lead editor Rick Seeler from Adobe on PDF/is.<br>
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I see no reason to treat PWG CUPS Raster any<br>
differently.<br>
<br>
Names of attributes (prefixes) are probably suitable<br>
discussion topics.<br>
<br>
But the idea that PWG should only specify a PWG raster <br>
format from scratch would set a bad precedent.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
- Ira<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Petrie, Glen <<a href="mailto:glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com">glen.petrie@eitc.epson.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"">I have reviewed the new proposed standard and have two concerns
with respect to the "IPP Subset of CUPS Raster"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New""> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">1.</span></font><font size="1"><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span></font>It was my
understand that a IEEE ISTO PWG Standard must not be the standardization of
product or a specific company's implementation<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">a.</span></font><font size="1"><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span></font>Thus,
there is a great need for a PWG IPP Image format or PWG IPP Raster format;
however, I believe that specifying it as a subset of the specific open-source
or vendor product is not in line with PWG standards practices. This is
not to say that is could not have a normative or informative reference to a
specific open-source or vendor product but it should stand on its own with ties
to a specific open-source or vendor product. Also, it should not use
attribute names or variables that are identified with a specific open-source or
vendor product.<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">b.</span></font><font size="1"><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span></font>I am
aware of other entities that wish to use an established format (i.e. CUPS
Raster 2); but if PWG is going to standardize it, it should be PWG entity.<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">2.</span></font><font size="1"><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span></font>The
specific open-source or vendor product that is being discussed is CUPS.
So, the other concern with a standard that directly references CUPS is that
CUPS is licensed by/under Apple and GPL. <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">a.</span></font><font size="1"><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span></font>I have
not heard or know that Apple has provided a Letter of Assurance on the use by
others for the use a subset of CUPS definition. While, I believe that
Apple would provide LOA upon request.<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-left:1.0in"><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">b.</span></font><font size="1"><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span></font>On the
other, if any or part of the content PWG is proposing to use from CUPS was/is
part of CUPS that was/is under GPL before Apple’s ownership; then there
is the question if GPL license applies. Major print vendors may be at
risk of either having to release their source code that is associated with CUPS
content or even being sued by GPL proponents. <o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New""> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" color="#888888" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";color:#888888">Glen</span></font><font color="#888888"><span style="color:#888888"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Behalf Of Michael Sweet<br>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:10 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:ipp@pwg.org" target="_blank">ipp@pwg.org</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:cloud@pwg.org" target="_blank">cloud@pwg.org</a><br>
Subject: [IPP] New draft of IPP Subset of CUPS Raster (IPP Raster)specification
posted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New""> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New"">All,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New""> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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"Courier New""> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New""> <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.docx" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.docx</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New""> <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.pdf" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126.pdf</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Courier New""> <a href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126-rev.pdf" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippraster10-20110126-rev.pdf</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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telecon including the rename from PWG to IPP...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p><font size="2" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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