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FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in } UL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=blue link=blue> <DIV>Hi,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Converted to PDF and stored at:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/07JUL-DMTF-Alliance-Partner-Technical-Symposium.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/07JUL-DMTF-Alliance-Partner-Technical-Symposium.pdf</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>About mapping services to devices:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(1) IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911) defines the Job attribute</DIV> <DIV>     output-device-assigned (name(127))</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(2) IPP Job Extensions (PWG 5100.7) defines the Printer (i.e.,</DIV> <DIV>     CIM_PrintService) attribute:</DIV> <DIV>     output-device-supported (1setOf name(127))</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>These  map cleanly to CIM_Printer (i.e., PrintDevice):</DIV> <DIV>     CIM_ManagedSystemElement.Name</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So we should define:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(1) CIM_Printer.Name</DIV> <DIV>     a refinement of CIM_ManagedSystemElement.Name</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>     - using Override clause to map to sysName in MIB-II and/or</DIV> <DIV>       prtGeneralPrinterName in Printer MIB v2</DIV>    </DIV> <DIV>(2) CIM_PrintService.OutputDevicesSupported, a string array</DIV> <DIV>     of Name property values for the class CIM_Printer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(3) CIM_AssociatedPrinter, an association class for a CIM_Printer</DIV> <DIV>     (device) with a scoping CIM_PrintService </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers,</DIV> <DIV>- Ira</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: owner-wims@pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:18 PM To: Whittle, Craig Cc: owner-wims@pwg.org; wims@pwg.org; harryl@us.ibm.com Subject: RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left>Great, thanks for the feedback.  Glad it went well.  Yes, I agree that printing will always be the red headed stepchild in almost any computer system oriented group.  It's that service that no one cares about until it doesn't work one day and then it's critical.  </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left>Regarding services and computer systems, I think that services should be modeled as Services, which is the way PrintService currently is.  Services are *hosted* on ComputerSystems, but that's the easy part because someone else has already defined it.  The Service itself is not a stand-alone network entity.  </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left>Associations to relate devices to services?  Almost certainly yes.  Data-based relationships, which CIM calls "weak" relationships, simply are not tolerated any more.   (Analogy: SNMP = relational database = data-based relationships.  CIM = CODASYL database = pointer-based relationships embodied in separate records.)  We'll cross that bridge when we come to it.  </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left>rick</DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left> <HR tabIndex=-1> From: Whittle, Craig [mailto:cwhittle@sharplabs.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 16:16 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-wims@pwg.org; wims@pwg.org; harryl@us.ibm.com Subject: RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation </DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> Rick, et al.:<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The presentation went well.  There were several members of “core” that attended.  John Crandall had the most comments.  Overall the feedback was positive although I still get the feeling that printing / imaging is still the “red headed stepchildren” of DMTF.  There only specific comment was about the use of ComputerSystem as a future direction for our printing / imaging classes.  John Crandall said that services were better represented under ComputerSystem rather than devices.  He did not suggest and alternative place for printing devices.  He did suggest using association classes to link devices and services.  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Despite the seemingly endless rewrites of our CRs driven by last-minute comments from core, I got the impression from other attendees representing other alliances that our process is going relatively smoothly.  I let John Crandall know that.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The latest version of the presentation is posted on <A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/07JUL-DMTF-Alliance-Partner-Technical-Symposium.ppt">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/07JUL-DMTF-Alliance-Partner-Technical-Symposium.ppt</A> <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> Best regards,<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> **CW<o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:18 PM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Whittle, Craig</st1:PersonName> Cc: owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName>; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName>; harryl@us.ibm.com Subject: RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation<o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> Craig, how did it go?  Hope it was okay.  There was no phone bridge that I could find to call into to serve as a backup, sorry.  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> rick<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> From: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Whittle, Craig</st1:PersonName> [mailto:cwhittle@sharplabs.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:06 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName>; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName>; harryl@us.ibm.com Subject: RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation<o:p></o:p> Rick:<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Have you updated the wiki to reflect the latest changing the CRs?  Is your “work to be done” presentation also current? I can incorporate some of these into the presentation this morning before I head off to <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Portland</st1:place></st1:City> to present this afternoon.  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Best regards,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> **CW<o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:30 AM To: harryl@us.ibm.com; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Whittle, Craig</st1:PersonName> Cc: owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName>; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName> Subject: RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation<o:p></o:p></DIV> <o:p> </o:p> Craig and Harry, <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> No problema.  The Monday session was a big surprise to me, and I mistakenly thought that 1:00 was the same as 1:00, but one of them was Monday and one Wednesday.  I apologize for the confusion, but I was completely surprised by the mention of a Core-specific planning session that I had never heard about before.  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> The Monday Core session was only about estimating the workload for next year.  I called in then and told Core about the remaining work in <o:p></o:p> - Printer device (a dozen-ish new classes plus corrections, approx fifteen new CRs), <o:p></o:p> - plus the coming work for PrintService (approx 8-10 new CRs), <o:p></o:p> - PrintJob (no estimates), PrintQueue, and PrintSAP.  <o:p></o:p> And I mentioned that there might be similar work for projectors (more than six months from now) and a profile for network printers (also more than six months from now).  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> I sent them a couple pictures from our Visios with small annotations, which I also posted on our site as<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/Visio-Printer_11_WhatRemainsToBeDone_B.pdf">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/Visio-Printer_11_WhatRemainsToBeDone_B.pdf</A><o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> The session Wednesday seems to be a different topic, status and plan update, and I think the slides you did are right on the money.  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Please let us know how it comes out.  Thanks.  Again, sorry for the confusion.  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> rick<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 23:41 To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Whittle, Craig</st1:PersonName> Cc: owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName>; Landau, Richard; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName> Subject: RE: WIMS> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation<o:p></o:p> Craig, appreciate you doing the best you can here. Seems like some date/time info may have been miscommunicaed. I'm sure I'd heard Wed 7/18. In any case... I know Mark said webex dialup would be a viable option.<o:p></o:p> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable cellPadding=0 border=1> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; BACKGROUND: white; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" bgColor=white> <IMG id=_x0000_i1026 height=28 src="cid:960590622@19072007-21B5" width=108 border=0><o:p></o:p></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; BACKGROUND: #efefef; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" bgColor=#efefef> Harry Lewis Program Manager - Intellectual Property & Standards Phone: 303-924-5337 e-mail: harryl@us.ibm.com <A href="http://www.infoprint.com/">infoprint.com</A> <o:p></o:p></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <o:p></o:p> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="WIDTH: 100%" cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; WIDTH: 40%; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top width="40%"> "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Whittle, Craig</st1:PersonName>" <cwhittle@sharplabs.com> Sent by: owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName> <o:p></o:p> 07/13/2007 12:20 PM <o:p></o:p></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; WIDTH: 59%; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top width="59%"> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable style="WIDTH: 100%" cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> To<o:p></o:p></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <Richard_Landau@Dell.com>, <<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName>> <o:p></o:p></TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> cc<o:p></o:p></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <o:p> </o:p></TD></TR> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> Subject<o:p></o:p></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> RE: WIMS> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation<o:p></o:p></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <o:p> </o:p> <TABLE class=MsoNormalTable cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <o:p> </o:p></TD> <TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0.75pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0.75pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0.75pt; PADDING-TOP: 0.75pt" vAlign=top> <o:p> </o:p></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> <o:p></o:p></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Rick:   The last e-mail I received from Mark Carlson was on 6/22.  This is the first I have heard of the Alliance F2F next week, Monday @ 1PM PT.  Unfortunately I have a conflict at that time.  I hope the Core session is OK with you calling in.   Thanks,   Craig Whittle Project Manager / Scrum Master Sharp Labs of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">America</st1:country-region></st1:place> (360) 817-8544   <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:23 AM To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Whittle, Craig</st1:PersonName>; <st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName> Subject: RE: WIMS> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation   Craig, I just heard from Jon Crandall, co-chair of the CIM Core WG, that they would like PWG representation at a meeting at the Alliance F2F next week, Monday @ 1PM PT, specifically at a Core session for planning next year.  Are you planning to go to that session or some other one?  They would like to hear in particular how far we are down the path and how far we still have to go.  The question is how many CRs do we expect to put in next year (I interpret that as the next 12 months starting now) so they can plan for resources.     I will try to get complete info on the meeting name, location, time, and so forth.  Unfortunately, some of the schedule is published only to TC members, of which I am not one.  Did you get a schedule by email from Mark Carlson?  If I can get the phone information, I will call into the meeting, too.     Here is some crude info in case you need some: we have about twelve classes left to go to finish the printer device, after the four that passed today.  We are roughly half way through the technical stuff, but I think we are 75% of the way through the controversies over class structure and property structure.  So it should take slightly less time to finish the Printer device.  How, how much time the PrintService and other classes will take is hard to estimate.  I haven't really looked at them.  I expect that there will be several classes added, primarily for capabilities and settings.     rick   PS: Your email signature does not contain a phone number, so I couldn't get hold of you that way.     <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center> <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </DIV> From: owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName> [mailto:owner-<st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName>] On Behalf Of <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Whittle, Craig</st1:PersonName> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 17:11 To: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">wims@pwg.org</st1:PersonName> Subject: WIMS> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation All:   A draft presentation for the DMTF Alliance Partner Technical Symposium in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Portland</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">OR</st1:State></st1:place> on July 18th has been posted (see <A href="ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/07 JUL DMTF Alliance Partner Technical Symposium.ppt">ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/07%20JUL%20DMTF%20Alliance%20Partner%20Technical%20Symposium.ppt</A>).  We will review this as part of our face-to-face meeting.  I look forward to your comments.   Best regards,   **CW <o:p></o:p></DIV></BODY></HTML> No virus found in this outgoing message. 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